Thursday 21 February 2013

Max Igen OPPT Roundtable transcription

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Friday, February 15, 2013 (USA)
Saturday, February 16, 2013 (Australia)

Max Igan: “The power of a bold idea uttered publicly in defiance of dominant opinion cannot be easily measured. Those special people who speak out in such a way as to shake up not only the self-assurance of their enemies, but the complacency of their friends, are precious catalysts for change.” That quote comes from Howard Zinn. Been a lot of Howard Zinn quotes on the show lately. I do love his quotes. He’s certainly a warehouse of good things to say.
I’ve got an interesting show here for you today. I’ve got some people here and we’re going to be talking about the One People’s Public Trust. I’m being joined on this call by a multinational force.  We have Scott and Ken Bartle, who recently made a video called “What The FUQ?”, which you can find on YouTube. You can also find it on my Crowhouse. We’ve got Bob Wright. We’ve got Chris Hales and Lisa Harrison. We’re also joined by Heather Tucci-Jarraf, I think I’ve got that right, who is the actual author of, I believe, of the People’s Trust. So this has really sparked a lot of interest with people. I’ve been getting messages from people all over the world that have wanted me to look at this trust. I’ve had a bit of a look at it and I’ve found it to be quite an exciting event. I’ve brought all these people in to try and explain it to people in layman’s terms so everybody can understand this. What I’m going to do is open up the floor to you guys. If there’s one of you that would particularly like to say something, or explain the basis of the Trust to us, just please take it away and give us your elevator version of what this is all about.
Lisa: I think we all suggested Heather would be the best person for that.
Heather: Okay.
Max: Well, it could be Heather or if you would like to read out the document that you have prepared, or whatever you guys want to do that you think will reach the people in a clear enough manner so that people can understand what’s actually happening here with this Trust and what it means for them.
Heather: I would ask that Scott and Ken to give from the human perspective and experience. Then I can fill in what the People’s Public Trust did, at the same process at a universal level. Would that be okay?
Max: Okay, sounds good to me.
Scott: Right on. Thanks Heather…Max. Well, I suppose the Vatican crow was I had a practical example where I was importing a car from the States over to Australia. In that process, I ran into all sorts of roadblocks, specifically with the Department of Transport. It took about nine months to get that import approval finalized and actually get a piece of paper in my hands. In that process, I found all sorts of dramas and moving the goal posts along the way. That sparked me to start questioning exactly what was happening. When my car actually got to Freemantle here in Australia, I had another roadblock put in front of me that I hadn’t been alerted to prior. Which was a requirement to import, or pay for a license to import, essentially the air conditioner in the car. It was a pre-charged equipment license. At that point I’d had enough. I’d been pushed over the edge, having been dragged through nine months of getting an import approval. I put my hand up and started questioning what was going on. In so doing, basically I uncovered all sorts of little anomalies with the so-called government.
They turned out to be a company pretending to be government. So far absolutely every single politician, minister, judge, police commissioner, governor, governor general, you name it, from top to bottom, every single one of them that has been asked for evidence that they are literally real government, du jour government, have declined, run away, gone dead silent. Some of them have even been bold enough to write back and say “I refuse to answer that question”, which is pretty arrogant in my mind. So in that process I pretty much stumbled to the idea while I was sitting on the bus coming home from work, that I could no longer treat them as government. They were essentially just a corporation, so let’s treat them as one. I offered terms and conditions to them and specified the method of acceptance. In so doing, I had customs who were starting to charge me or wanted to charge me for taxes. Basically couldn’t resist and perform those actions that accepted my terms and conditions. I liken this to basically a car park that put the terms and conditions up on the wall outside of the car park. You look at those on the way in and decide “Do I want to go into this car park or do I want to go into the one next door?” When you do drive into that car park, it’s those actions that are the acceptance of those terms. I put all of this to customs, they’ve just sat there dead quiet, hung onto my car, performed the actions to accept the terms and conditions, and I’ve been invoicing them ever since.
I’ve since went on to file a lien for the recovery. So, we bring ourselves all the way up to today, where I’ve basically got to the point where I’m now ready for enforcement. Now, the process was no different to pointing at a judgment that we reached at the end of an administrative process. That was the determination of the capacity of customs, acting as a corporate entity. I thought “Well, banks do this sort of thing when they run you through the court process. You come out with a judgment that’s against you and the bank sits there and points at that judgment till the cows come home, forever and after. I pointed that judgment, and regardless of you huffing and puffing or jumping up and down and objecting, they just sit there and point at the court judgment.”  So thought, “Well, I can do the same thing. I’ll point at the judgment that I got that determines customs are acting in the capacity of corporate entity.” That, I suppose, is the intro to where I got to with the One People’s Public Trust, in as much as; here are all these UCC filings that are the evidence that replace my judgment of these, of the capacity in which these folk are acting. In this case, now they are all foreclosed and I can point at that and use that going forwards. Does that give you a bit of an intro as to how that works guys?
Max: Yeah, that gives me an understanding of how you came to find out about all this. When you say you pointed out “and they’re foreclosed”, how does that work? How can they be foreclosed? Explain that to me.
Scott: Well, I suppose the same process (inaudible), but at a much higher level. While I was dealing with a, let’s just say “small fry”, down the bottom end of the scale, a company pretending to be government down here in Australia. From what I understand is, Heather as a trustee put her own mortgages or properties on the line to test out the system and find out what was going on. She found all sorts of fraud and deception, deceptive acts, put to the principals of these corporations that are pretending to be government, at the very highest level, as the principal of these corporate governments. We’re talking the likes of the Bank of International Settlements, Treasury, Federal Reserve…jump in if there’s any more that you want to add.
Lisa: The UN.
Scott: Yep. So we’re going right to the top and putting the same thing to them (inaudible)…the process…(inaudible)…in putting allegations to them for their rebuttal, as to whether they were performing these acts (inaudible) that they were squeaky clean. (inaudible) what we reached a judgment where we say “Oh, hang on. No, they have been performing these acts.” Which lead to a process of foreclosure, where you close them down. If that’s my (inaudible), that’s probably a good intro to Chris or Heather to jump in on that one.
Max: Okay. So, how does this lead into the One People’s Trust? How did that then lead into the One People’s Trust? I believe you became aware of Scott and Ken’s work, Heather?
Heather: Yeah. Well, I’ll make an admission. First off, I already knew everything was corporations. We already knew that there were no loans, through my experiences, my training, and learning the mechanics of it all. So it wasn’t really a matter of trying to discover where to go, how to do things. It was more a matter of “How do you go in, because you have to establish prudence”. Anything you do, any investigation, you need to have the backing for the actual step or move that you make, right?
Max: (affirmative response)
Heather: A lot of it was hidden. These processes that Scott was talking about, you have to lay a paper trail, or a money trail, expose the money trail and a paper trail, where none has ever existed before. So that’s really what OPPT did, was go in and expose the money and the paper trail and by doing that we just went to the nexus points. The nexus point basically is a principal agent doctrine. Notice to principal is notice to agent, notice to agent is notice to principal, and every corporation, the founder, the CEO; they’re all responsible for their agent’s actions. Unless the agent has no authorization or authority to act on their behalf. That they have to let people know, right?
Max: (affirmative response)
Heather: So that was what we did. We went in and BIS is the principal agent for all the principals of the slavery systems. A slavery system is one where they have a legal system and it has to provide remedy. When it does not provide the remedy that is preserved, then all of a sudden the system is unlawful and it is illegal. It’s a slavery system.  That’s all that there was done. There were a lot of groups that were planning on making a revenue stream out of this process, trying to make a lot of money and teach you people how to do it. Yet we find, we know from experience, that that’s a portal for the Powers That Were to come in and stop things, exert a new influence and any force or coercion, or threat of force and coercion. Not only that, you sometimes will get people with, who start with very good intentions, but when money is involved, try to make a revenue stream. Well, you see it in the attorney field. They’re there for the billing hours. They’re not there, for the most part, to help and assist people. Otherwise they would look at who they’re actually licensed to, which would be the crown.
Max: (affirmative response)
Heather: So in order to prevent that misuse, abuse, or manipulation, there’s another nexus point. The nexus point is Source. I call it Source, some people call it God, Allah, Yahweh, doesn’t matter, but essentially that’s prime, that zero point. Now you are created by Source and there’s nothing in between. You own your own body, your own mind and any creation you do there from. So, we didn’t go in to basically foreclose on everyone. All we did was establish for everyone’s benefit “Hey, we BE.” And we registered that. They would have to rebut that and say that they own you, they created you, or they otherwise somehow control you. Now, they are not going to show that. They’re not going to show the agreement, the treaties, the acts that had been done behind closed doors, because they’d admit the slavery system right there. So the foreclosure was a benefit of everyone BE’ing, and registering their BE’ing, because it just collapsed that whole system.
Max: Okay. You’ve kind of just done this by lodging this as a UCC filing, have you? Because I was talking to some guys in Ireland earlier in the day, and they said “Oh, this sounds great”. I kind of gave them my skeletal understanding of it. And they said, “This sounds great, how do we get involved?” and I said, “Well that’s the thing, I think you already are. I think everybody’s involved simply because this is filed. It’s essentially collapsed the system. It’s put humanity back above the system and it’s reestablished our rightful place just below the creator, and everything below that is fiction.” It’s just stuff that you do now to spread the word, and get an understanding and spread it into people’s minds that the terrain has now changed. Is that sort of what’s going on?
Heather: Yeah, that’s exactly what’s going on. The UCC is the supreme law of the planet. They say it’s in the constitution, but that’s just to keep you in a distraction. Constitution is just a contract that you guys aren’t signatories to it. None of us are, except for those that signed on the dotted line. What they did was, they uniformed everything in order to make it very precise, an effective transfer tracking mechanism for the Powers That Were and their quote, un-quote “holdings”. Which include birth certificates, which include land titles, and they’re all illegally begotten. So nothing can be born of a fraud, so the UCC is a nexus point where everything is put under it. The Federal Reserve is put under it, all the central banks are put under it, the BIS was put under it, all of the quote, un-quote “countries”, all of the nations, states, cities, everything was put under it, and they tried to hide that fact. When you walk in and say “The UCC”, you’ll hear judges play off a script that they’ve been given saying “UCC doesn’t apply”. Yet, when you go into a criminal court for instance, on the top of a complaint, a charge, a criminal charge, it’ll say “Uniform Criminal Court Docket”, a UCC docket.
Max: (affirmative response)
Heather: So the UCC is the only place you have to register, it’s called “Notice By Public Registration” and you only file into a UCC. Well, UCC’s are hard for most people to even get. It’s a whole language above and beyond itself. So in order to make sure the people didn’t make a mistake and spend a lifetime going through what Scott went through or others went through, we were able to go in and under God, Allah, Yahweh, Source, First Source, whatever you want to call it, and register everyone’s BE’ing and it just collapsed everything else. So it ended (talkover) everywhere.
Max: So this is already in place and it isn’t like people have to go and sign up for anything, it’s already in place. They just have to become aware of it basically.
Heather: It’s already in place. The only thing you guys have to do now is just “BE”, and “DO what you BE”. So, this document that Scott and Chris worked on, it’s beautiful because it just, it says “Here’s a Courtesy Notice. You’ve already been noticed through the proper public registration system that you all were registered under. Now here’s a courtesy notice, because you’re personally going to be responsible now.” That’s the only thing that you guys need to do. All the rest was taken care of, and it was done by the OPPT for you guys to be able to BE.
Max: Like this can even stand up in court. I mean what you’re basically doing with this Courtesy Notice is you’re letting people know that the terrain has now changed and that the rules are now different.
Lisa: Well, not even a court anymore. It’s you and the judge and the judge is his own personal liability.
Max: Yeah, you’re operating on 100% liability with everybody.
Heather: Lisa, you have to understand what the court is though. Any time you step into a court, it’s a private court. It’s a private corporation. So if you give the same Courtesy Notice to them “I have documents that purport to being a summons, or a complaint. I would be happy to comply as soon as you can show me the same things. Scott asked the quote, un-quote “Commonwealth of Australia” to show”, which they refused to do. You don’t ever have to step into that court. You guys can’t control whether they are going to make a choice to be correct. What you can do is be diligent in keeping a track record of their actions, accepting their actions as their admission of their corruption, their choice to be corrupt and a co-actor.
Max: Excellent. Excellent. So…
Bob: You know, Max, by using the UCC, which is the same harvesting tool that they were using against us, is really important because for them to deny it and to say that it’s invalid or it has no relevance, they’re also denying their whole harvesting system which they use to base their tax collections, all of their foreclosures, they’re all using that same mechanism. So to deny the filings would be to deny their own selves, and their own system, which they use against us. It’s really a catch-22 that you put them into that position.
Max: Yeah, it’s kind of a checkmate for them, isn’t it?
Heather. Yes. It was a very fun experience, for me at least.
Max: So what do you say to people who say “Well, yeah, okay, it’s well that you’ve filed this, but how come the system is still running?”
Heather: Yeah, the system, the energy has been cut off of the system. Energy in every form of representation. Meaning, all of the paper that they had, it’s all… they can’t use it. The gold that they had, that’s all been essentially reclaimed and rescued and cached away so it could have a chance to recalibrate itself for this upcoming moment. All of the energy that you see is just the energy that was in the tube, so to speak, when the OPPT cut everything off. So they’re running on the last bit of energy that was in their engine already.
Max: They’re doing so, because a lot of them don’t actually know that the system’s collapsed. So what do you say to people who say “Oh no, this is terrible. This will bring down the system and usher in a New World Order.” That’s what I’ve heard some people say. What do you say to people like this?
Heather: Well, I say that precautions have been taken. We considered all of that. That’s why the CVACs are there. If there’s a corporation that the people are going to be…said they’re a part of…well they should own it. They should have a system that is transparently of service to them, accountable to them. So the CVACs were set up just as a temporary…here’s where you can place everything transparently by your own will and free will choice. However, the OPPT had it in place back in the end of November. Our first choice was to go in and recognize everybody and give them the Data, instead of going in and cutting…making the systems of assistance treasuries and cutting paper everywhere and then having that paper be negotiated behind closed doors with banks or anybody else. It was important to have the people BE and DO. So it’s all sitting there. There is nothing…it can happen in the twinkling of an eye. There’s no void, no gap, no anything, but it’s up to the people to choose whether to BE. It’s okay to move along and kind of not know how to BE. That’s normal after what we’ve all been through, but that’s where we all help each other.

Max: What it seems that you’ve done with the CVAC is you’ve basically left the infrastructure there. You’ve said “Well basically we own all this. We’ve paid for it and so now it’s there. We have to decide what to do with it.” … and for people who need the security of the system, well it’s still here. It isn’t like it’s gone anywhere. It’s just that we are now back in control of it.

Heather: Yeah, there’s 194 branches, I think, the only branch that wasn’t established as far as mirroring the old system was the one for the Vatican.

Chris: Okay, the two things that the trustees did…there’s two parts of the equation which completely overlap. One was to gather together the financial system and essentially collapse it and take that value back to the people. The other was to actually put forward the skeletal form of a new structure of…we don’t want to call it government or even governance …a system of assistance. If anyone can think of a really neat term for it, please tell us. That has also been put before us and as Heather said, it’s sitting there. It’s holding it’s place, because it contains all the value from the old system. The thing that I’d like to put to your users is that’s actually the most important thing. I wouldn’t focus on the foreclosures, because that’s a fact and it’s done. Hard to get your head around. It took us quite a while, but what follows is by far the most important. That’s the most important part of the conversation that you can have at this stage. If you’ve just come into this, there is a bit of cognitive dissonance in suddenly being in a landscape where there is nothing but us, the planet and the Creator. Everything else’s been literally stripped away. You need to kind of sit with that and think about it for a while. One of the ways you can digest it all, is to go and read some of the CVAC specifications. On the Peoples Trust website,, there’s some incredible descriptions of transparency, of integrity, equality, equity. It’s remarkable. It’s never been seen on this planet.

Max: It’s remarkable and it’s never been seen on this planet before. Okay, so what if someone heard about this and they’re at Doubtful Creek at a Coleseen(?) gas protest. The police have arrived. They’re trying to ship them on. The people are trying to protect the water table. The police have come along and they’re protecting this corporation and they are just pushing these people out. What can you do in a situation like that using this type of a trust that you have put in place?

Lisa: Hand the police officer the Courtesy Notice for one.

Max: Okay yes, that’s what I would say would be the best thing to do. What if they say, “Well, this doesn’t mean anything, I’m going to arrest you anyway.”; so what, I’m just going to deal with it down the track?

Lisa: They just became your first customer.

Chris: What you would do, so long as you know the names, you have to know the names of the individuals. If you have the names of the individuals, you serve it on them the next day. If they through it in the mud, that’s fine, serve another copy the next day and make the point that they have committed harm by manhandling you. If you were manhandled, they are not entitled to do that. If it was your farm that they were on, they were actually trespassing and damaging your property. They have no right to do that either. They have no right to do that either, so you can begin that process.

Max: And you would begin that process by what, putting a commercial lien on them?

Chris: Well, in fact, the process that we are using in the document that’s been produced, is based along the principals that Scott used. Where we actually…we as an individual pulling out this other individual…because they’re doing a us a harm and we’re saying we are not going to interact with you except on our own terms. Here are our terms. If you do any of these things on this list over here, I’m going to send you an invoice. Oh, and by the way, if you persist in this, my second option is a UCC filing against your personal assets. Because this is you, talking to another individual. There is no corporation in play, even though they think there is one. The courtesy in this is you’re giving them the opportunity to cease and desist without getting too hot and heavy over it. Putting liens on people is a serious business. We think a lot of the issues will be deflected with this Notice first and hard-core issues will have to go to the lien stage. That is a direct attack on their personal assets. They could lose their house.

Max: The reason I am asking this is, I’m trying to put it out there, because a lot of the people that will be listening to this will be “This all sounds great, but how can I apply it to my personal life and the activism that I am actually involved in?” So, I’m just trying to get people to understand that you can use it in any of these situations. You can use it. It is such a beneficial thing. It really does seem like the light at the end of the tunnel. It almost seems too good to be true.

Lisa: Max, that was one of the first questions that came up for us when we were doing these shows, where calls and emails and requests for “How do I use this to stop chemtrails? How do I use it to stop fracking? How do I use it to stop them from fluoridating my water?” I would love Heather to address it. There is a lot of activism going on right now for a lot of different reasons all over the world.

Heather: Well, these are great points because it comes down to the point of BE’ing and the point of DO’ing. There are so many people BE’ing and DO’ing out there that you do not hear about. That is part of their agenda; it’s to distract people or make sure that information does not come out. I had an email the other day from a person that was BE’ing and DO’ing, and Being and Doing by the UCC process, by the way. He was a manager of a financial fund, a trust. They buried him in a maximum detention facility to keep it quiet. Along with a whole lot of other people that have been BE’ing and DO’ing. I don’t know if you all have seen the movie The Guardians, it’s a kid’s animation film? They have this globe where all these lights showed up and each light represented a child that believed. Each of these lights would just go out as the kids stopped believing. Their job was to make that globe light up again. I really believe that if people know how much BE’ing and DO’ing is going on, and they’re able to have a visual representation of that BE’ing and DO’ing where they can click on those dots/lights and see a blurb or summary of that story, they may have more courage.

When I was in the investigation, I was in the court room. A courtroom is just a theatre, and everyone is playing their part. At the time I was an officer of the court, a licensed registered officer of the court. I had three hearings or two hearings that day and I had been forewarned by my banking contacts that they were going to use that license to essentially throw me in contempt and into jail. So I cancelled the Bar license, because I knew that I could not use it to clean things up from within, so I canceled it. The best way I knew how to help was to walk away from that old system. That next morning, after having prepared the night before, I went up saying “You’re a public officer. You should have a bond and an oath from your own statutes.”  The judge got very upset. I would not let it go. I was strutting around the court room playing the part to the hilt. He called the cops up, the sheriffs, whom I had worked with as a prosecutor for many years. The sheriffs were all standing up there and I said “Perfect timing”. I gave them the statutes for them to be able to do their job “He’s pretending to be an officer of the court. He does not have his bond and his oath. He admitted he did not have his bond and his oath on the record.” I asked the court reporter to replay it back. She just looked flabbergasted and frustrated and turned beet red. The judge turned beet red and the sheriff just sort of shrugged. Well I said “Okay”, so we went through the whole scenario. Everything finished…the judge stormed off of the bench…granted the bank their thing…the court reporter actually stopped reporting, she refused to report anymore.

As we left, I knew I had the next hearing to do. I knew that the bank handlers and Bar handlers were going to be on the phones with the judge that was just handled, as well as the judge for the hearing coming up next, to figure out what to do. I knew that the sheriffs would be called back up. However my question was, would the sheriffs actually come back up? Because when they don’t perform their job, it is a felony, under their own laws, right? So we go in there to the next hearing and essentially all the judge could sit there and do, after her little rant and rave, was turn to me and say “What happened? You used to be one of us”. And she was a go through judge for the bank. She was beeping for the sheriffs, her and her clerk. It was funny, because she caused such a distraction because of the beeping for the sheriffs and they weren’t showing up. I found out later the sheriffs decided not to show up, because they had received legal advice that they were liable if they did and did not do their job.

So, it’s a matter of BE’ing and DO’ing. Yes, this is not the easiest choice, because of the ramifications. We have a public trust advisor, legally bonded, who is sitting in a prison right now who has helped ferret all the UCC process out. He’s had Washington DC and all of its international equivalents in a tizzy to figure out what to do. You know what the response was? The response was to have the UCC Permanent Editorial Board take the very process that we did and change the laws as of July 2013, to just have the process go through so they don’t have to take you into courts anymore because the courts are failing. The courts are too much exposure for them.

Max: Okay, well that could be pretty shocking. So what do you do in a situation like that where there’s this guy that is in jail? This guy who’s been helping you ferret out all this information to do this?

Heather: Let’s just say he is a former minister, young guy with a beautiful family. He just knew what he BE and he wasn’t going to back down from that. He asked the same questions that Scott did. He started out pretty abrasive in the beginning. Then luckily he had a really great guide who was able to tell him to do it very gently, very kindly, but very firmly. Just say, “This is who I am. This is the law I am operating under. This is my standing and authority, now what is yours?” And they would say whatever it was and he would say “Great, now put that in a verified sworn declaration and we’re good to go.” And the judges this last week apparently just flat out told him “We’re not going to contract with you the way you want us to. You better contract with us the way we want you to.”

Max: But he is in jail at the moment. Hey, they are just holding him there (inaudible).

Heather: Well, he uncovered, exposed, with the IRS’s own agents, the fraud and the process where you can get remedy. The process is an automated one. Everything was legitimate, legal, lawful, under their own system. When they refused to provide him remedy, and they didn’t want that process out there, they indicted him for a fraudulent claim. The only problem was, and they arrested Tim Turner in the process.  They tried to get Tim to get Ed Miles to basically kowtow and fold. When he didn’t succeed, and Miles had intel from myself and our banking community that Tim Turner is an agent, all of a sudden three days later Tim Turner was indicted and taken into custody. Now, whether that’s a cover for him, because his cover was about to be blown in a very public manner, I don’t follow that with that much interest. What I do follow with interest is the fact that this is going to be a matter of moment of choice for everyone.

Miles, they couldn’t get him in under the case that they had filed. They tried 21 times with 30 marshals having guns on him. To the point where even marshals were asking “What is going on here?”, because they told us they would have the order, but they did not understand what Miles was doing. And all of a sudden, they’re told to back off, they can’t move forward. So after 21 times, they’re sort of freaking out. Now the marshals are starting to question their superiors. Miles they brought in under a red herring. You know the passports? They went in to demand that he produce his passport, so it had nothing to do with the case. They couldn’t find a way to resolve that case or get him to contract with them and so they said “produce your passport”. Miles didn’t realize what they had done, a switcheroo and the only thing he had to ask was, “Great. I’ll be happy to comply with you as soon as you show me your authority to even be able to demand that I produce it.”  That’s where he messed up and what actually got him into the detainment center. But as far as the process, the process works. Just ask them, “Where is your authority? Under what law are you operating under?” They can’t answer those questions, because if they do, they reveal the whole thing and admit it in the process.

Max: Your background, you’re a UCC lawyer, is that correct?

Heather: I was an attorney that was trained in international law, banking law and contract transactions. So yes, the UCC is all of that. The UCC is involved in every aspect of life.

Lisa: Where do you go from here with Miles? Anybody else that’s in that situation? Anybody else imprisoned for a crime with no victim?

Heather: If you follow the same process that Scott was talking about as far as their Courtesy Notice and they can’t answer it, we do three of them. Actually that Courtesy Notice falls under what we call a UCC three file (inaudible) demand. If they can’t produce the documentation that you’ve demanded of their standing and authority, you do it three times. After the third time with at least 72 hours between each, you are lawfully and legally able to issue what is called UCC 3505, which is a Certificate of Dishonor. At that point, everything they’ve done becomes a credit to your account and a debit to their account. Meaning they are absolutely, commercially and personally liable.

Max: Okay, so that is what this has done. What you’ve basically done is exposed the governments as corporations. You’ve basically asked them to show you that they are not, is that correct? And if they are corporations, it kind of collapses everything below that as well, doesn’t it?

Heather: Yeah. If they are going to show you, as the people’s government, then they’ve got to show the contract where they are the people’s government. They have to be accountable to you guys, right?

Max: Exactly, and so if you’re in a place where you’ve got a Coleson(?) gas mining company coming onto your land and they’re doing it, they’ve got this corporate power. Well, basically the corporate power is invalid because the charter is invalid because it was granted to them by a government that is invalid.

Heather: True, that is true. In fact, all the land titles, because those are all sitting at BIS for the Vatican, all of those land titles were actually canceled all across the globe. So, right now the banks have no standing legal or lawful. Everything is held with Earth as a superior custodian, because it’s as Source or God or Allah or Yahweh, whatever you want to call it, has put it. So, right now there are only three custodians. That’s how the land titles are actually going to be changed. Instead of ownership, there is actually going to be a co-custodian type of situation, where if I want to go buy a piece of land, I’m not purchasing ownership of the land.  I’m putting down earnest money, a bond that I’m going to take care of that piece of land in harmony with Earth and how it grows itself naturally. So, there is a big shift in perception. People will still be able to have experiences on their property and be responsible for the properties.  But at the same time, it’s not going to be in a slavery type of system which the PTW had created. Besides, people don’t even own their own lands. When you actually sign a Deed of Trust and a Promissory Note, you actually are signing a landlord/tenant lease. If you read the different provisions, you will find most of those provisions in the landlord/tenant lease section of the UCC. And you will find the gifting language from the UCC as well. So you buy it, then you immediately gift it and you end up being a tenant on the property.

Max: Always thought the concept of land ownership was strange anyway. I mean, we're only here for a while anyway. We're more like custodians than owners of anything.

Lisa: Well, anybody who stopped paying their rates has found out how quickly they don't own the place.
Max: (chuckle) That's true as well. You never stop paying for it.
Heather: I would also like to disclose the person that helped me understand what all this was. It actually was a trustee with the Rothschild family holdings. There are many people within the system who are actually working to make sure you guys know what's going on.
Max: Okay, that's good, that's good. The information is certainly getting out there. We knew this was going to be a time of change this year. Certainly seems to be happening. This is really a buoy in our favor. It's almost too good to be true.  It's fantastic that this is happening. It really does apply to everyone. It really does collapse all these corporations right down the line, doesn't it? It puts people right back on top, we just need to decide what to do with it. That's what you've attempted to do with the CVAC, isn't it?
Heather: Yeah. The CVAC was just something so that you can recognize it for what it is replacing, but at the same time, leaving a very open structure for the creativity. You guys are so creative. The things that I've seen since OPPT made things publicly known or the opportunity for it to be publicly known. That creativity is awe inspiring. It's beautiful. We didn’t want to lock it down and tell people “This is what you have to be. This is what you have to do.”  Instead we just said "Here's a safe and guarded for you to BE and DO as you choose. Just don't damage anybody else."
Max: Yeah, that's the beauty of it. You're preparing more documents at the moment as well, which would be like you said, the Courtesy Notice. There's also one that you’re preparing I believe for people who are already entangled in the system. You're going to make them available soon.
Heather: Yeah. It's just revision of the language a little bit, to address the current, present moment. Then to put them in the same place as this Courtesy Notice that just came out puts them in. Which is I BE and you've got to show've got to rebut the specificity and particularity that I don’t BE.
Max: Yeah, okay. It's kind of like what Scott's done, just show me who you are, who are you people I'm dealing with? Show me that you have any more power than the Creator. I've said this on so many shows, that the whole legal system is based on Ecclesiastical Law. It's all based on biblical law basically. Yet they claim they're a higher authority than God. Well, how do they have a legal system if they're claiming it's based on biblical law? They're claiming they are a higher authority, so it cancels itself out, doesn't it? And as Bob was saying earlier on, they can't rebut this. They can't invalidate this UCC filing, because if they do, they invalidate their entire system. So then what do they got? They've got anarchy and they don't want that.
Heather: Well, they have to show all the dirty agreements that they made all the way around to own and control and manage you.
Max: Okay, so where do we go from here? Where do you think this will take us?
Chris: This takes us into transformation. That's one of the conversations we've had in the past month. It proceeded from gobsmacked that the system had been foreclosed upon and shut down and just stripped away, to examining the CVACs and seeing how they were defined, to considering how it is we're going to get from where we are to where we're going, because that's actually the bit that scares most people. But in the conversations we've been having, we think we're developing a picture of how that might take place. If we can give a few minutes to discussing that, I think that will get people thinking. Ken, I'll get you to jump in in a second, but essentially what we're seeing is two kinds of transformations. There's a personal transformation. There's seven billion of us on the planet. There's going to be seven billion different personal transformations as we step from one system to the other. The other is a transformation of what were former corporate entities, which the planet has hundreds of thousands. Basically papal structures with infrastructure doing things and how they'll reorganize and into what.
The picture we're forming is this, that whole industry, when this transformation starts to kick in and people start moving from operating in a foreclosed corporate fashion to the CVACs, they'll turn from corporations into cooperatives. In the process, they'll shed the excess parts of the of say the auto industry that they don't need, because you won't have competition. You won’t need a corporate structure, because you're not enriching the shareholders. Everyone's assigned an equal value under the concept of the CVACs, so there's just no rich and no poor. There's just equitable humans. So, what are we building cars for? What are we building so many for? You'd see industries where they'd shed a proportion of companies completely and the rest would reorganize into cooperatives. That would make the most brilliantly built cars ever seen on this planet, because instead of being in a predatorial, commercial mode of operation, they'll be in a cooperative, creative mode of organization, filled with people who actually want to be there. I think that example will cut across all of what we consider to be the major industries of the planet. It's gonna take a while. Let's be absolutely clear about that.
Lisa: The first thing I see going is all of the corporations that don't provide a service or a good that we actually need. That'll be the first thing that just disappears.
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Chris: I'm talking about the ones that will stick around. The ones that make useful stuff. All of the stuff that feed off the process...they're gone. They're already gone.
Heather: There's one at their point. As far as what's being said that's all absolutely correct, but there's one other part that is being preserved and that is for those who just want to BE in their own space. You don't have to be part of a coop, you can just be having to choose. Some people will love and enjoy the fun of DO'ing and BE'ing with others that are like-minded. The point is to have that opportunity for all the opportunities, all the Data to be put on one table and let people choose as they want to BE.
Lisa: That's the hardest thing that people have to get their head around, I think. I can't tell you how many times people have said to me when they try to get their head around a new financial system or that we're all equal or things like that, "Well, it's not fair if someone can survive by sitting around on the couch watching telly all day and others are contributing to society."  I personally think we should all take three months holiday, but have the system...
Heather: See, that's kind of the point. You get out of the system what you put into it. If you're not putting any value into the system, then you have no right to take any value from the system.
Lisa: That's right.
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Lisa: ...people are hanging around on the couch and watching tv and doing nothing almost as a knee-jerk reaction to the system. So if you take the system away and you take their reasons...I know people who don't want to work because they don't want to contribute to the beast, is their saying. They feel like getting a job or doing anything that contributes to the system, they can't bring themselves to do it. To people around them, they look like lazy bums right now. But they're actually highly conscious and highly motivated to do something. They just can't find a way of doing something that doesn't contribute to the beast yet.
Bob: This is what I've discovered and you're right, Lisa, this is probably one of the hardest things for people to get their minds around, because they've been indoctrinated in this whole slavery mentality. When you actually are confronted with the idea that you're free…like we mentioned before, after the slaves were free, how many of them were still working for a year or so, before they even realized? When World War II was over, how many people were still operating under the idea that the war was still going on before they actually stepped out of the concentration camps and took their first steps out into real freedom?  Here we are, we've been in this system for all of our lives and now suddenly, in the stroke of a pen, all of that is gone. How do you function? How do you move forward?
This is where it takes a little bit of contemplation and thinking. Because a lot of these people who you think are sitting around and they're not working, they're thinking. They've got ideas. They've had the time. Because I've been on disability for a couple of years now, one of the things that I found, is you get a lot of time now once you're not in survival mode. You get a lot of time to think and to think about what it is that you really want to do. There's people out there that have ideas for...revolutionary ideas…about how to solve our energy problems. About how to solve a lot of our health problems. About how to solve a lot of the things that we face in day to day lives. But they've never been given an opportunity to put those things forward, because of the system that was in the way. Lack of money, lack of funding, lack of support, lack of exposure and now all of these things become possible to introduce without the system being there. We're learning right now how to operate that way. With this new mentality, you can take a man out of slavery, but to get the slavery out of the man, to actually get them to BE free and to recognize their own divinity before God, that there's no authority that stands between that.
Max: That's the hard part, isn't it? There's a lot of people who find freedom to be very, very scary. What do you do with these people? What do you do with people who actually want the system to stay there? Because they want a parent. The way I see it, with the CVAC that you got there, that will kind of cater for this and people will be able to sort of make a gradual transition if they would choose to.
Heather: Yeah. You've heard the difference between involuntary servitude and voluntary servitude, right?
Max: Of course.
Heather: Okay, so essentially, we knew…the OPPT, the trustees…we all knew that some would choose slavery. Meaning they would choose to have to delegate their responsibility, because that's all it is. You're just delegating your responsibility of BE'ing and DO'ing to someone else. Yet if you do that transparently and you agree to the terms and conditions of how that's going to BE and be done, then all of a sudden you have something that's lawful and legal. If you have all this deception and all this non-transparency, that's where you get the involuntary servitude and the unlawfulness and the illegalness. Does that make sense?
Max: Absolutely.
Heather: So, the CVAC actually presented the opportunity for it all to be there. Those that aren't comfortable at the moment of BE'ing and DO'ing responsible and consciously, they have all these others who are willing to do it for them, but there's gotta be a value for value exchange, right?
Max: (affirmative sound)
Heather: That's what it is. However, we had this conversation with bankers all day long. Bankers don't think anyone's competent or of capacity, that they're ignorant and stupid, and that if he gives them $1000, it will be gone in a heartbeat. Maybe five years ago. Maybe even a year ago. Maybe even six months ago. However, at this point, they created conditions by their own free will choice that have gotten people to the point of precipice. I'm not happy. Everyone is so not happy. The contrasts are so obvious that even the most asleep, the one that's in coma, understand it's not working for them. That's what the CVAC does.
Max: Well, yeah, that's why this seems to be so attractive. That's why I see this as such a great move. I really love what you guys have done. We've got about seven or eight minutes left. Is there anything you'd really like to say? Anything you'd really like to put some message across?
Chris: I'd just like to say the thing that scares people most is the feeling that the system's kind of being pulled out from under them. But what we ask you to do is stop and think and read the documents if you can, because there's a lot of information in there that will highlight just how transparent and how equitable everything is.
Max: Where are the documents, Chris? What are the websites people can go to find out the information about all this?
Chris: We've got -- that's literally written as it's spoken. That website was meant for legal disclosure and it's not a general information website. But the core documents are all there and if you're inclined to read them, I'd highly recommend it. What I wanted to say about it, was that some people will express that this will unleash anarchy and I say "Absolutely not."  I think get them to sit down and think about it for even 10 minutes and it's going to unleash creativity from one end of the planet to the other. You won't be able to hold people down. They will just say "This is what we've been waiting for."  This is how we can actually take and create a community that's absolutely our own. Yes, we're going to take responsibility for it. Yes, we've got a lot to learn. This is our chance to actually BE and DO something really human instead of just living at the behest of a small group of people, who want to do it entirely for their own benefit. We can break completely away from that and as Heather says "in the twinkling of an eye".
Max: Well, yeah. The other website I believe is
Chris: Lisa, you want to point out the two radio shows we're during the week?
Lisa: Sure. Every Monday night in the U.S. at 7:00 Eastern standard time, on Freedom Reigns, a channel on Blogtalk, which I think is 11 am for Sydney, the East coast of Australia. That's called the OPPT-IN show, on Freedom Reigns. On Tuesday evening in the U.S. at 8 pm and 12 midday for Sydney, we have The Collective Imagination show. And the OPPT-IN show is very much focused on updates, the process, the documents themselves and education. Then on The Collective Imagination show, we tend to have the deeper, larger discussions around what this all means for us on an individual and on a collective level. The questions about what do we do now with these CVACs? What do we do with the powers that were? What is self-governance? We sort of ask all those questions. 
Max: Yeah, it's really new terrain.  We're entering into a completely new terrain now, aren't we? It's still part of the learning process, isn't it?
Heather: The answer to all those questions, Lisa, is BE'ing and DO'ing. I really enjoy the moment when you will understand the Absolute Context of your BE'ing and your DO'ing and the power of it.
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Max: It's so wonderful to see this, because this is what I've been telling people for years. It's all about knowing who you are and understanding the whole system is ...(inaudible) it's journey, just some ...(inaudible)... we made it all up. I just wrote it down and we decided to go along with it. We need to step above it and realize that these politicians are just trustees and they've enacted a system which they're using to move the wealth of the planet at our expense. It's essentially people farming...human trafficking. That's all we've been subject to. I've always been able to see this, ever since I was a kid. I never knew how to put it down on paper. That's why I love what you've done Heather. You've managed to just put this down, because of your legal understanding. You have this spiritual understanding to go with it. It seems to be so fitting for a mother to have done this...the return of the Divine Feminine. It just seems so fitting that this would come from essentially the actions of a woman that has been a major catalyst in this. That's really good to see. I really do want to have you on again. I have to have maybe each of you on separately to give us the whole low-down of what each of you are doing. Because I love the work that all of you are doing in all of this. It's a real (inaudible) I think and it's wonderful to be a part of it.
Lisa: We've never seen anything take hold like this.
Max: It just feels right. Those radio shows that you're doing, especially dedicated to the OPPT-IN, I believe you had 140,000 on the first one that you did listening on Blogtalk and then you had 197,000 on the second show that you did. I believe if you look for the IP's, there was a few banking companies on there listening as well.
Lisa: Oh, yes, we know we've got an audience...(chuckle)...from within. They're enjoying the show, apparently.
Max: Have you got much feedback from the system about what you're doing? Or the feathers that you're ruffling? I suppose you're ruffling a few?
Heather: Oh, yeah. (chuckle)
Max: What sort of feedback are you getting, Heather? Like you said, "What happened? You used to be on our side."
Heather: Yeah. (chuckle) Well, I'm still on their side. I'm just on their eternal heart side. Right now, for instance, calls came in yesterday about gold being moved over from China to the US Treasury because they need something in their vaults since all the gold was replaced with tungsten. Yet, all the gold that came from China was stolen from the Americas. What I was told, it's ancient American gold. So whether that's Mayan, Aztec...but it's stolen gold. They're gong to spin it as it already being in the US Treasury. At the higher levels, they'll spin it as a loan. At the highest level, they'll know that essentially China owns the U.S. Basically it's a repeat of what they did in the 30's. Yet that's where the funds are going to really start to happen, because once they make that move and all of the gold shows up on the streets, everyone's gong to know the truth. They're going to start going "Well, what's in your vaults?"  They're really shooken up. They're very, very scared, because people are BE'ing and DO'ing and you're inspiring others to BE and DO. The power of that BE'ing and DO'ing...I cannot stress it enough.
Max: I think it might be very telling that we just seen now since you've done all this filing, I think it's vey telling that we've just seen the Pope resign and Queen Beatrix step down. I wonder if that's got anything to do with all this?
Heather: (chuckles) You'll get some Data that's going to come far as, everyone keeps asking about ET disclosures. You're going to find that many of them are already sitting in different positions down here. They know how energy works. They know the energetic accounting. Those will be the ones that step away first. You have a lot of exposure in the Vatican and believe me, there are so many people within the slavery systems that made that happen. Just trust the eternal hearts. Focus on BE'ing and DO'ing. Even if you fumble your way through it at the beginning, you're going to figure it out. Just point your compass within.
Max: Okay, Well, it's been fantastic to have you on and to talk to you all. I'm definitely going to have to have you back on again very soon when we get a little bit more exposure for all of this. When will those documents be available? Are they posted on the website now? The new documents you're working on?
Lisa: They already went up a few hours ago. They're there for download at, under Resources Documents. That's the original Courtesy Notice. I believe Kauilapele, American Kabuki and D from Removing the Shackles will probably have them up on their websites very soon as well.
Max: I'll download them as well. I'll add them to the Crow House as well.
Heather: The revised one for those matters already going, that should be out within the next 48 hours or so. I've got sick kids at home, so I apologize for any delay, but that's the truth of the matter.
Chris: We do understand you're a mother. Also, just to let people know that the documents come with instructions. Each document will come with some instructions. We really want people to read those. 
Max: Okay. That's great, Chris. That's really good that you've done that. Keep up the great work, folks. Thank you for joining me on this show today. I will definitely have you back on soon. We're completely out of time, so we're going to have to knock it on the head here.
Heather: Thank you, Max. Thank you, group (inaudible).
Bob, Chris, Lisa: Thanks Max.
Max: That's it for today, folks. (inaudible phrase) I though it was a very worthwhile topic. We might have to stretch the issue a little bit. We'll be having Heather and Chris and perhaps Scott and Ken Bartle back on this show to talk about this action as it progresses and keep you posted on what it's all about, but it does certainly look very good to me. I would suggest that everybody look into it. Again, the websites are: and The other site is American Kabuki. Those are the sites where you can find the information that relates to this. I suggest that you all look into it, because this really is a HUGE step for freedom for all of mankind. Well, at least for those who wish to participate. Thank you again for joining me on this show today, folks. Please spread this radio show and the information about The One People's Public Trust.

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