The ONE Network with Mel Ve of Freedom Central
November, 28, 2014
Present: Lisa Harrison, Brian Kelly, D of Removing the Shackles, Mel B, Mel Ve
Note: The beginning of the recording is opening music with mostly small talk among everyone to probably complete sound checks, until Mel Ve started hosting the program proper.
Mel Ve: Before I'm going to get this officially started, I guess I'm hosting this one. I'll be posting this one as well. I'm really grateful that you guys have taken the time out to come together and talk to me about some of the things which I guess need to be aired in the public realm. Because there's a lot of questions and there's a lot of things that have been left hanging. I'm really grateful for the time you've come together to discuss this. I think it's pretty difficult to know how to go at this in a linear fashion. I'm going to go over to Lisa and let you get started on the beginnings of the story.
Lisa: Oh, thanks. (laughter) The beginnings of the story. Actually for those who follow my personal blog, lisamharrison blog, they would know that I posted three stories. Three parts to a story, which is kind of going back and trying to tell the story of this last ear or so. But I needed to go way back (laughs). I got to the point where myself and Brian and D, Heather, American Kabuki, and a bunch of us went off into the desert last year. We all came together in Morocco at Heather's invitation to actually meet up in person and we did that. We all spent a month, roughly a month or some few weeks, in Morocco, in Tangier, with her and her family. That culminated in a trip out to the desert, which was pretty amazing for all of us. Then Bob and Brian and I went home. D stayed in Morocco. Bob, Brian, and I kind of got on with things, went back to our shows and doing what we do. D was staying in Morocco; her plan when she originally went there was to stay there for 12 months, as far as I know.
Bob, Brian, and I found ourselves in a situation where we started off with the radio audience that very quickly evolved into a community, which then evolved into a real online family. As we were encouraging them to meet up with each other and come out from behind their keyboards and start having real relationships with one another, because that's what we found made a profound difference for us personally. Because, actually, we spent all our time behind keyboards. Everything's virtual; these relationships are virtual. For so many in the audience too it was...those radio shows...it was their time to feel connected and not feel alone. Then they would have that two hours where they could just feel like they weren't crazy and people understood them and people spoke the same language. Then they'd go back to their lives where they'd pretend they were who they were. So we were encouraging that to happen.
Sort of around August, September, there was this amazing group in North Carolina in the United States who came together and did this. It was incredible; they pulled out a lot of people. They had a connection with each other and created these relationships that were just amazing. We sort of thought this is it. This is what people are looking for and longing for. They really want to make these connections. From that the OPAL Tour was born, which involved myself, Brian, and Bob predominantly and then this whole support crew, who (garbled) ... radio show hosts or had something that we felt was important to bring to the table, to go on tour across the United States. We pulled that off in record fashion. We announced it and we were on the road in like six weeks or something-it was amazing. As we got to the end of that tour, I think it was our second last stop in Florida, there was a call from Heather Tucci Jarraf from Morocco. There was an invitation, "How's Moroccan sound for dinner?" There was some information in terms of-that she had information essentially on what the OPAL tour was really all about, what did it achieve, who was really behind it, who really financed it. All these sorts of things. Now as far as Brian and Bob and I were concerned... (audio cut off for a short time)
D: Dinner in Morocco; that's kind of where you left off.
Lisa: So we got a cryptic sort of invitation from Heather Tucci in Morocco, saying that "how does Moroccan sound for dinner?" and that she had data, or intel, essentially on what the OPAL Tour achieved, who was behind it, who backed it financially. This was information that we essentially would like to know, in order to assist us in making decisions for ourselves on what was next. As far as we were concerned, we were behind the OPAL Tour and the public funded it. But of course when you're getting public donations and there's PayPal donations from Joe blog, so you don't know ultimately. So for myself personally, I was supposed to fly back to Australia on the 19th of December at the end of the tour. Thanks to...which I think they're getting again this year...incredible snowstorms on the East Coast...flights were cancelled, flights delayed, airports were closed and I was on stand-by flights, so I couldn't get home. It was clear that I wasn't going to get home until at least the 4th of January, because that's when they opened up again, the buddy(?) fares. So in the meantime, I stayed with Bob in Pennsylvania, spent Christmas there away from my kids and family and spent it with Bob and his.
In that time, we sort of weighed up what to do next, because there was a lot of...wow, a lot of requests and in some cases, a lot of pressure to continue the OPAL Tour in various countries. Australia really wanted us to come there next; the northern states of the US; there were parts of Europe; there was just a lot of, "come here, come here, come here". We were exhausted; we really were. It's not easy to do...to sort of herd...I called it herding stray cats. In fact, stray, feral, rabid cats half the time. (laughter) This huge community across the country; it wasn't an easy feat. But, because there was so many options about what to do next and because we really did want answers, we just started to go to Morocco. The initial thought was that I would go to Morocco for two weeks and Bob and Brian would go for four and then would follow me to Australia and we'd do the Australian tour. That was the tentative plan.
When we got to Morocco, it took about a week and a half, maybe even two weeks, to actually have a sit-down conversation with HTJ and hear some of this intel, which boiled down to, in some ways not a lot, like it was...it did what it was supposed to do in terms of the tour. It brought people out, made them transparent and there were bankers behind the people who made the donations and they were setting you up to fail, but you didn't fail, you succeeded. You don't need to continue with the tour if you don't want to. Then she said that her plan was that she was going to start a community in Morocco and she was going to bring out all of her DARPA boys. By that I mean literally DARPA, all the technicians and the scientists who work in DARPA, who apparently are frustrated. She was going to create this sort of space; a community space essentially to bring out people who have been wanting to come out for a long time, out from under the cabal or out from under the black ops and all of their restrictions, to bring out the suppressed technologies and to bring out all of this stuff. That certainly got everybody excited.
So I guess the focus shifted from the OPAL Tour to creating a space for all of this to happen. We're talking about-based on what she said, this is people from all over the world who were dealing with all of the suppressed technologies, who were gonna be able to come out safely. We talked about people who were the good guys in the military. She had the support and the backing of the royal family in Morocco-that this was a place where it could happen because it wasn't one of the corporated countries. It was a true monarchy. There was all of these reasons why it was gonna be there and the kind of people who were gonna come. They were just waiting for her signal that the place was created and safe for them to do so. So you can imagine that's a pretty exciting proposition. So a lot of our energy went into that.For me personally, there was stuff going on in the background that meant that I couldn't get home. The flights that I thought I had weren't there, so I kind of got stuck with no flights and no money. But when the talk of the community happened, Brian and I spoke to D. We rang D, because D actually hadn't been in contact with us very much at all since our time in Morocco and hadn't been in contact with Heather at all for quite a while. She was living in Malta at the time. We said this is gonna happen here. D had her own plans for starting a community in Malta. We really wanted D to be a part of this. So on that, D packed up her family again and came back to Morocco-on me and Brian giving her a call.
This is where it gets into the realm of speculation-into the realm of speculation because it's really only in hindsight, when you look back on all of the events that have taken place over the past year, that you start putting the pieces together and start looking at potential agendas and motives. By no means did I think this at the time is what I'm about to say, but I do think it now. What I think now is that Brian and Bob and I were lured-you could say-to Morocco in order to take down the media platform, the 5D Media Network. I think it was a deliberate agenda. You could call it a job, but I think that's what it was. Everything that took place after that made absolutely no sense. What we found was all of the talk, the initial talk around what was going to get created there, just repeatedly, time and time and time again, nothing ever happened. I think it kind of got out of control, essentially, because from the moment there was talk of this community, we put the word out and people came. I don't think that was part of the plan. (laughs) In really, really quick succession, within a couple of weeks, within two weeks, we had half a dozen people there.
Brian: We interviewed Ralph Ring.
D: Yeah, we had the Ralph Ring interview that went viral. Brian and Nick and I talked to Ralph Ring.
Lisa: That's right. We had people coming. We had (garbled) the equipment coming...to be a part of it. I think actually that things got off track to be perfectly honest. Very quickly a location was found, which according to people who were already in Morocco with Heather prior in like November/December of 2013, this location had already been found. However, end of January when we were looking for a location, it was like, "Oh wow, look at this! Never noticed this before.", which we didn't find out until recently. This place obviously, middle of nowhere, I called it the "one-donkey town". It had no internet; sounds like a great place to locate a media network. Which we didn't know until we got there, of course. What we experienced, everything snowballed, essentially. We relocated to this town within a couple of weeks. We'd already announced in the collaboration with Hope that we would host a QEG workshop. Then one of the other women there, Whitney, and I found a house, which was a (garbled)-an amazing space, culminate a lot of uses for the community. We were there like two weeks before the QEG thing started. So, bang bang bang, you've got 70 odd people from all around the world-so many different countries-coming for this QEG build.
Right on the tail end of that, which I think...my reference with time right now is really nuts...end of March, early April I think it was, as people were starting to leave. We got back down to the core group that was staying there long term. That's when things really shifted. Once a lot of the eyes were off, people had left, that's when the energy had really, really shifted there. You could say reinforcement were brought in, in order to change the energy of what was going on there. Because what was going on there up until that point was really, really positive. Once the QEG build was over, our attention turned to, "Okay, what's next? We've got all these things we need to do. Where's our DARPA boys? Where's the Army? Where's these garbage burners?" The list goes on; all these things that were going to happen and weren't happening. Every time we wanted to try and initiate something, nothing would take hold. We just could not make anything work there. It's difficult when...you probably know too...when you're living in a country where you don't speak the language and it's very cliquey, you need translators. You need go-betweens. You need people who have connections to do the work, talk the talk, and do that stuff for you. Well, a lot of that boiled down to Heather and her husband. Unfortunately, that meant that things just didn't go past him. Whenever we did make connections...Brian was great at making connections. He meets people and they love him and everyone wants to help him. He got burned, more than once.
It just became really, really difficult. We all saw things that didn't add up, in terms of the person that is portrayed publicly and the one that you live with on a day-to-day basis-not the same. In July/August, I was finally able to get out of there in July. I came home and I spent a month here at home. My internal knowing was that I had to go back and I had to take my daughter back, my little one. I didn't know why, but thankfully I had the support of her father and he let me do that. I now know why. If you ever have the pleasure of meeting Phoenix, she's a special kid. She does things to people, the way people react to her and what she brings out i people, because she's so incredibly pure and she's got the most big, beautiful, amazingly clear blue eyes and this kid looks straight through you and it's like she just knows you. She loves everyone; she just loves everyone. I can sum the whole thing up in one demonstration actually, by saying that we lived in a three-story house. Phoenix and I were on the top floor. D's family were on the ground floor. Heather and her family on the middle floor. Every morning, there were like 11 kids in this house, 12 kids at one point. Every morning when the kids got up, they would all congregate on the ground floor in front of D's place and hang out. That's where they all met up. Every morning when Phe had breakfast, she'd go downstairs. She'd see D and say, "Good morning, D" and give her a big hug. "Good morning, Mel" and give her a big hug. "Hi, Heather" (Lisa scrunching her shoulders and looking down) This kid was scared of her and she's not scared of no-one. Through my daughter, I was able to see things that I wasn't able to see before. So my inner knowing about taking here there was spot on. Because I didn't have a kid there, I wasn't privy to a lot of the family intricacies that D was and that Mel was. My current position...
Mel B: D was just mentioning that obviously there's parts of this that I don't know from the beginning, right? You were just mentioning then the invite from Heather and she was just basically singing about the fact that the DARPA boys were going to come in, with all these technologies. When she asked me to move to (garbled) with her, I'd explained that a guy I know from England that is unwilling to go public, I've never seen any evidence from my own eyes... (garbled) machines. She wanted me to fly to England to get the blueprints off this guy, who's really insignificant, who's technologies I've never seen with my own eyes...completely contradicting all these people that she knows with all these technologies. She wanted me to fly to England.
Mel Ve: Okay, this is good.
Lisa: She's connected to all these DARPA boys, yeah.
Mel Ve: So she claims connection to all the DARPA people? Does she actually have them?
Brian: She has since the very beginning.
D: Yeah, that's been one of her sayings.
Mel Ve: Well she's connected, she must be somebody.
D: The one thing that she said over and over, before we even got to Morocco, was so many times she talked about these DARPA boy connections. They're going to be coming out. They're going to bring out all this technology. We're all going to work with them. We're going to do this and we're going to do that. It was just one of those things that, again, it just never materialized. Not just didn't materialize, but in looking back, there was no backup to it. There was never any shred of proof that these people were coming or that she knew them or that there was anything more to this other than her just saying it was going to happen.
Brian: The significance of that is it wasn't a singular event; it was a series; it was a pattern of a lot of events and a lot of talk and no follow-through. But why don't we have Lisa pick up where she left off, because she was on a roll.
Mel Ve: Thanks, Lisa.
Lisa: (laughs) You've left me in a position, what would I have been saying?
Brian: You were saying that you were feeling betrayed and you knew why you needed to come back with Phoenix, because to help bring Heather out, basically.
Mel B: You started to say that maybe there was a little bit of a good side to Heather and you think that we were affecting her.
Lisa: I know that it was my own internal guidance that wanted me to go back in August and take Phoenix back with me, because she helped me see so much through her eyes. Because of the effect she has on people and because of what she brings out in people. There's a side note to that; remind me to come back. Since leaving...I mean I was always going to come back at this time, I left again at the end of October. I was only ever going to go back for three months. By the time I'd left, so much became transparent. The whole situation had blown up basically. What I was saying earlier and what Brian eluded to in the break, there was this pattern of behavior-lots of big claims, lots of...in Australia we call them "gonnas". Heather's a "gonna". I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that and nothing happens. There was a lot of that. It was just this repeated pattern for months and months. Even though I do believe, where I sit right now, that bringing us there was a job-maybe one that she got paid for, compensated for in some way...maybe. I don't know; that's speculation, pure speculation. I do think that we had an effect on her. Living in that environment with all these beautiful, beautiful people...and they all are...and the people that it attracted...amazing, amazing people...had an effect on her. I think she got off script. If she was on a job, she got off script on a number of occasions. She did get close to us. So when she pulled away, when she got back on script, it was really, really evident.
We've all gone through a lot of emotions around this. Because when any friend, any friend or someone who you think is a friend, turns out not to be your friend or any friend who leaves you feeling betrayed, there's (garbled) involved. I've gone through it. Many others have gone through it. One of the reasons we're talking to you is because transparency has been our catch-cry for two years now or longer. Being as transparent as we can about what we've seen, what we've experienced, what we've felt is...we have to walk our own talk in this. Obviously, perspective can change based on data that comes available and that changes all the time. We're always learning something new. I would not be having this conversation three months ago. Towards the end there it got really, really ugly.
What I said about coming back to, I'll give you an example. When we re-launched the network as The ONE Network, which to clarify once and for all, is about oneness. It's about unity consciousness. That's all it is. As you know, we did a re-launch with Sacha and Heather. I watched for three days-really, really closely-as she prepared herself to be that person that you saw in that interview. It took a lot of work. It took a lot of time. It took a lot of hours. A very intentional meditation and whatever the hell she was doing, locking herself away in her room, preparing herself-right up until we sat down. Literally within moments before we sat down to press record. If you look at that show, at that interview, I barely said a word. In one of my closing statements, it was kind of like, "It's been fabulous watching you two"...I think I used the word "play together", because that's what it felt like I was doing. This is not addressed at Sacha at all. But it was so calculated, so premeditated and that almost diving being tjat you see sitting there through that interview was "(deep breath), oh good, that was done". You only saw it when it took some prep, when there was an audience. That's not the woman you woke up with. It's not the woman you've lived with. It's not the woman you had dinner with. It's not the woman you did the dishes with. It's not the woman who you saw with her children. It's not the woman you saw with your children. That was purely for public consumption. Honestly, that was a huge disappointment.
Mel Ve: Really?
Lisa: One of the things that I could not ignore, because i knew how preplanned it was. I knew how predetermined it was and calculated it was, was in the follow-up show that we did. This was clarification for me, because the energy in the house...there was like 20 odd people living in these three floors of this big place...the energy of the place had become so separate, so divisive. It was really yuck. It was absolute clarification for me as to where it was coming from, which was her. It was when we were doing the follow-up show with Sacha and it was just myself, Brian, and D, and Heather sitting on the couch. There had apparently been an incident with my daughter and Heather's daughter the day before, which nobody had witnessed. Phoenix was too scared to tell me about it; she didn't want to talk about it. She was terrified of Heather. I was sitting next to Heather and there was a question that Brian asked and she used this as an answer. It was so irrelevant to the question, firstly. As I'm sitting next to her, I could feel her not looking at me and I could feel the energy coming off her. I knew it that moment that she had plans, long before we started doing this, to bring this story up.
It was a story about apparently my daughter biting her daughter. Now that is just something that she's never done before in her life; never been in trouble before in her life. Apparently the circumstances were that Phoenix wanted to give her daughter a hug and her daughter didn't want her to, so Phoenix bit her. Heather goes on to explain that the way she handled the situation was to tell my daughter that if she ver wants a hug, if she ever needs a hug, that she can go to Heather and Heather will absolutely, gladly love her and give her hugs and all that sort of stuff. Now this was the lamest answer to the question and completely irrelevant, but it was a personal dig at me. It implied that my daughter was starved of affection and love from me and actually needed to go around biting people to get attention or to get a hug. Now if anybody's seen me with my daughter knows that ain't the case. She couldn't look at me when she was talking, but it was the energy I felt off of her at the time. It was on those funny little moments where one thing that doesn't seem relevant suddenly goes "bllluuhhhh" and connects all of these dots. My eyes just went "bang!" in terms of everything I had continued to give her the benefit of the doubt over. It was like, "No more. I know what you just did."
So, where do I sit right now? I sit with thinking that and feeling that she's absolutely not who or what she portends to be. I think there is a side to her or a motivation to want to do the right thing, to be that person. but I also think she's potentially either handled, in the way I mean the word handled, or delusional. i have absolutely no doubts that taking down the 5D Media Network was the intent, that it was a job, and I'm very proud of Brian, D, Mel for the fact that we all came out of this sticking together and determined to move forward with it and not them win, not let them take us down if that was the intent. I'm actually incredibly grateful for everything I've gone through this past year. It's been hard. I'm still paying for it in some ways. I don't know what the right term is for it. I don't want to use the term sacrifice, because that's not right. I've learned so much; I've learned a lot. It's been painful. It's been amazingly joyful. It's been everything in between. I've met the most incredible people. I've made connections that I hope will last forever. I feel that I'm building back up again, personally and professionally. I'll be stronger and better as a result. It's one day at a time.
My concern right now is to be transparent with everybody who took stock in anything we said based on anything she said, because we saw first hand...one of the things when the filings and Heather first came on the scene, one of the things that struck me back then, was that no-one from this woman's life came out. No-one from high school. No-one from law school. No-one who worked with her in law. No-one. Not even the freaking cleaning lady...and believe me, she'd need one...no-one came out to talk about her. If nothing else, we are the first group of people who can say, in current time that's relative right now, not when she was eight, but now, got up close and personal to see what this was (garbled). That's what we found.
D: I'd like to kind of further elaborate on. Lisa talked about the distraction, if you will, the bringing down the media team so to speak. I'm gonna fast forward a bit to give people a little bit of an understanding. I think for pretty much all of us here, as we had doubts, as we these niggling thoughts in the back of our minds, like something is just not right and as everyone around you is smiling and happy, you kind of go, oaky, I'm just going to lock this away and not deal with it. Until we had a moment that was so "in your face", that we all opened up and actually started really freely speaking from what we had been feeling. In that moment we had 12, 14 of us. We all started sitting down. First off, it started with Lisa and I talking and we spent like hours just sitting and talking. Then Mel and I talking and then Brian and Lisa. Then all of a sudden when these pieces started coming together, we were like, "whoa, wait a sec".
D: Yeah, like a serious pattern. So we kind of gathered everyone together in a neutral place. We left Auochtam and we came to where we are actually right now, in Restinga Beach. We sat down and everyone started just pouring out pieces and bits of what we'd seen. It was one of those things where we'd have pieces come forward that like for example, this came out when we were taking a break. Lisa was talking about the whole beginnings of it, with Heather telling them when they first got to Morocco, "oh, I've got the DARPA boys and we're going to build this community and all the DARPA boys are going to come out" and while we're in the pause, Mel says, "You know what, here's what I was told" and this was just recently, so there's another piece that's come forward. It's another piece of the puzzle. Anyways, there was a really big sharing of all of us kind of baring our souls of what our gut had been talking to us and saying. Not only that, also letting each other know the things that we'd been saying to each other quietly and privately in multiple and multiple conversations over months and months that Heather had had with each of us individually, that was always said under the guise of "I trust you and I'm going to tell you this". That was the overall feeling, so it was very secretive. So then all of a sudden when all of us came together and started talking about these conversations, it was like "are you shitting me? seriously, that's what she said?" There was a lot of hurt. Lisa and Brian and Mel, there was times for a good month where there was a hurt that was so bad that you almost felt like you were drowning from it. You'd come to the (garbled) and we kept supporting each other working our way through things, but it was very hard to hear from other people some of the things that were said.
But getting back to where I wanted to start in with this, in hindsight, you can go back and look at incidences that have happened, especially over the course of this last year, and all of a sudden there's a much bigger understanding. When we all got pulled back to Morocco and like I said, me and my family had decided we weren't coming back to Morocco. It was kind of like at some point in time, either NIck or I would go back to pick up the last remaining bit of our belongings in Morocco, but we weren't planning on coming back, because of situations that had come up over the course of December and January, early January. We had made the decision we weren't coming back. When all of this started and Lisa and Brian and I started talking with this whole community, because I'd already gone public with my plans to create a community, because I was sick and tired of waiting around for someone to create this community. It's time for a (garbled). So fine, I'll do it myself. It was so exciting. It was like, Nick and I said "Fine, let's go back to Morocco then. Let's do it. Let's go back. Let's build this community." Because if there's a bunch of people who I know are able to pull this off, it's us as a group...Lisa and Brian and me and all the people who are coming out. Then things carried through and we ended up in a one-horse or one-donkey town. It was actually about four donkeys, but a one-donkey town that had no internet. I mean, it was bad. People know. I just stopped blogging, because there was no internet. But there was a subtlety behind it all in the fact of being told continuously, "It's all done. You don't need to do anything." Brian stopped writing. I stopped writing for the most part and some of that was definitely internet issues, but a lot of it was also when you're continuously day by day, "well, it's all done, we need to focus here."
Brian: We were even told specifically to go dark.
D: That was exactly it. Heather came out with this big plan, right after the QEG finished, that everyone would go dark. No-one would report anything. We listened to her explanation of why she thought we should do this and we all went, "well, okay, we'll go dark" and we went dark. We literally stopped talking, pretty much on Skype, on Facebook, no blog posts went out, nothing.
Brian: No radio shows.
D: No radio shows. We stopped everything. Now we look back in hindsight and go, "well, that really played out well, didn't it?"
Brian: The crazy part is it made sense at the time.
D: It did, because she spun this tale of the reason why we need to do this to draw out all the...if we go dark, then they got no intel. Because they have no intel, they will have to come in to find out what's going on. All the way through everything that we've experienced, one of the things Lisa said, was the fact that the public persona didn't match up with what you felt face to face. One of the biggest things for us was...I think I speak for everyone on this...was that while she continuously talked about oneness, in the background there was a continuous separation being pushed. When I was in Tangier, when Brian and Bob and Lisa and all the rest of the gang had left and gone back to their homes after the first time we'd gone to Morocco, there was a very overt push to separate me from the OPAL Tour. The nuance behind that, "You don't want to be involved. You really don't want to be involved in all this." for me, it was kind of like, "well, okay?" Lisa invited me and was like, "Come on, do the OPAL Tour. Just do a few weeks with us." I was like, "yeah, no, you know...". but even since then, in coming back together, there has been a continuous separation and push. Various people have been separated out from the group and whatever the story needed to be to place that separation...the biggest one was, of course, as we all heard, "they're an agent". If anyone did not fall into the plan of the moment,
Brian: They were an agent.
D: They were an agent. We were told over and over again that Bill, American Kabuki, was an agent, because at that moment in time Heather was really angry at him. Regardless of the personal there, because I'm not going to speak to that, we were over and over, each of us individually and as a group, told that he was an agent. Caleb is an agent. Any single person within the group...I got told that Mel was an agent. I got told that Brian was an agent. Seriously, Brian an agent, like that's (shakes her head).
Brian: I AM an agent. (laughter)
D: This was played out to the point of it became so in your face that by the time it got to like August, it was so...yeah, in your face. She would come up and Heather would say something like "duh tuh duh tuh duh tuh da, well, you know they're an agent". It's like now really hard to swallow. It was one thing, but now you're basically saying Mel's an agent and her dad is an agent.
Lisa: You know how some people see (garbled/overtalk). You know how some people see reptiles under every rock? Well, she sees an agent behind every ...
D: Every...yeah. Every turn. All the way through this there was this continuous separation, even in the fact like I said, the things that were said to us privately and individually, were very much based on separation. It's a kind of...things that she said to me about all the other individual people over in Auochtam were very obviously, in my opinion, to drive a wedge and to create the separation and it went on and on. It wasn't until we had this big...when everything became so hugely visible, radically visible in such a massive way that we all sat down and we kind of shook our heads and went, "whoa, what the fuck just happened?" and then you talk.
Lisa: I would say there definitely were agents that turned up. The question is, who were they agents for? We never got a chance to investigate that, because the implication was they were always "agencies" and to stay clear and stay away. But I'm more inclined right now to feel that perhaps they were people who could potentially expose her and that's why they were summarily ejected. There was some that didn't add up. There was something fishy about quite a few people that turned up, especially during QEG time. (laughter)
D: I'm sure there was a few agents that showed up during that time; that we know.
Lisa: That we know. I have to say that she did (garbled) back state, to more than one person, that Brian and I were brought to Morocco to fail. Now, why would a friend take nothing else knowingly want to put you in a situation like that?
Brian: Can I add a couple things real quick?
Lisa: No, you can't. Brian, you are to be on mute the entire time. (laughter)
Brian: First of all, I didn't agree to come and do this interview to bash or throw mud or even accuse Heather or speculate as to what Heather's agenda was at all. I refuse to do that. I wasn't really looking forward to this, because I'm ready to move on with my life. I already have. The only reason that I agreed to do this and to share this is because I feel an obligation to everyone out there that I very could have, possibly, inadvertently misled with things that I was sharing on the radio and the blogs. We ultimately became, unofficially, Heather's spokespeople. We spoke on her behalf. She wouldn't say that, but she would tell us stuff and we would share it. That's really what it was. During those two years, a lot of the time people had a lot of really great questions. On many occasions, and Mel you can attest to his, because you interviewed her yourself. you'd ask her a direct question and you'd get a very indirect, a very elusive answer. We pawned it off as "Heather-speak". We justified it by saying, "Heather doesn't operate in this dimension. She speaks fifth-dimensional speak." Almost shut people down when they had really good questions and defended her in a lot of ways.
Looking back on it now, I feel really bad about that. I want to clear the air and I want to personally apologize. I sent out a few messages last night to people on Facebook, just apologizing, because I was so in it that I didn't have the ability to see through the fog of what was really going on. I still don't know what was really going on, but it will become visible. Everything will become transparent. That's the way the universe works.
That started to become really clear, when we were in Aouchtam, when we were all living together. When all of a sudden, in a lot of ways, it became very visible in that all of the questions that we had were also being dodged and sidestepped. There was a point when after that interview with Sacha, where Heather became very elusive with all of us. It was like...and we haven't talked about this yet; we've talked about it a lot as a group...where we couldn't even pin her down to have a conversation. We'd start to talk about something and ask very direct questions and she would literally walk the other way or put her head in her computer or whatever. It was as if she knew that she was being seen by us for the first time. Her whole energy really started to shift dramatically. I think that this is where we all kind of within ourselves started to ask questions. Things really weren't adding up. I keep telling people I made a business out of painting red flags white.
There was so many things throughout two years that I just put on the shelf that really became visible. Even just over the course of the last few days, it's hard for those that haven't been here, present, first-hand experience, everything that we have witnessed with our own eyes, heard with our own ears, and have been privy to in density, it's hard for people to understand. That's why I've agreed to come on here and do this, because at the end of the day, this...what you're going to hear me say and I'll just say it now, I don't need to wait till the end...is that I'm grateful in a lot of ways for what Heather has done, because I now have the privilege of working with Lisa as a result and Dani and Mel and you, Mel Ve. As a result of everything that Heather came to us and brought out, we've built this amazing team that really has the ability to do great things in the world. I'll always be grateful for Heather for that. That's what anchors me into where I'm at now and why I'm not really upset; why I've kind of been drug through the mud in a lot of ways, yes, but just like Lisa said, I'm a stronger person as a result of it.
I also feel a responsibility to be that voice of transparency and just put it all out on the table with no secrets and no lies, because I really, truly feel like that's the energy that we're in right now. This is the best way to really inspire feeling within ourselves and anybody else out there who may have felt misled and also to give them an opportunity to have that same kind of experience and have that same opportunity for healing. That's just something that I really needed to make sure that got out there.
D: That's one of the things that I've spoken to from the beginning of all this starting to become transparent. I'm not gonna, I refuse to stay in a place of anger and hurt and judgment. I was there; I make no bones about it. Jeff and Ellie spent quite a bit of time in that place. I take from it some incredible experiences that I would never have had. I met Brian and Lisa and Mel and so many incredible people. We'd come together in what I'd like to think of as a driving force for change and transparency. None of that would have happened had we not all been drawn to Morocco. I am not going to dwell on that and like Brian said...I literally yesterday...we were supposed to film this last night, our time, and I came really close to saying to Lisa I can't do this. I'm just not into doing this; I'm so done with paying energy into this aspect of it. But like Brian said, this is the transparency. After this point, I've put this away now and I'm not going to sit and I'm not going to talk about this. In my Skype room that I have, my One Skype room, a lot of this has been fully discussed over the last 72 hours and a lot of energy paid to it. I'm not willing to do that anymore. I've already paid months and months and months of energy to it and I will only take from it the positive and the amazing things that I've learned and the experience I've gained and all the rest, I'm just putting it behind me and just moving forward with what we now have, which is such an incredibly strong bond with all of us. Yep, be the change that changes the world. That's what it is. Just move forward.
Mel Ve: Guys, you know what? It's so lovely to hear you speaking. In so many ways and though I didn't go on the Heather Morocco journey like you guys have, I myself have been on my own journey with the work projects that I've been involved with. I'm listening to you talk and I'm going, "this is exactly what's happening to me". I concur with that you say, that sometimes we need to go through these hard things to really bring together the people that have the wherewithal to stand this. The only way to work that out is by going through a lot. How do you know who has the wherewithal unless you go through the fire with them? Yeah? With that being said, it's all to solve together. It's brought a lovely team of people together and created an amazing awareness. I had this conversation with Sacha Stone a little while ago and I said to him that irrespective of OPPT and Heather...and it's very much the same like the work that I did with Keven Annett, I mean he's a complete con, but the issues he stood for are very real, completely real-the children getting killed and the Indian Reservation schools-that's a real issue...I would never have known about these things if it wasn't for him. This is what I recognize as part of the cosmic gauntlet that we all have to run to get to a point of convergence that we're all at now.
D: I agree. I agree. I had this conversation with Mel just this morning...or was it last night? Time is irrelevant anyway...that we can point fingers and we can say, "Well, this person associates with that person, so can we trust them?" Or you can point fingers at various whistleblowers and movies like Thrive, or you can look at it, instead of taking it apart and picking apart the irrelevance, you can look at the impact that that piece that was brought forward had on humanity and humanity's awareness. I've said it for ages that there are people out there like...in my circles dealing with intel, where people like Drake and even Keenan, yeah...you know what? It's all...I won't even go there. But they brought forward very relevant pieces and while they, themselves, are questionable, it doesn't change the fact that the pieces they brought forward-information, even just the opening up of people's minds to a certain, specific situation-had a massive impact. So I'm not going to throw these people to the wayside. I refuse to. Even if you read an article, even if all you've read was just one sentence in that article, maybe that's just the only one sentence that you needed to read. So you don't throw the whole thing away just because you don't like the wording or for me, we all know I hate the word "archons" or "reptilians" and I kind of go "kkhhaahh". It doesn't change the relevance of the information that's coming out. If you keep your mind open to the fact of what you have learned from any piece, it's an advancement forward. It's a piece that you didn't know before.
Brian: What I keep looking at is...I mean, one thing that we have in common, is we all want to know what's truth. We're all truth-seekers. It's like a cliche to say it, but that's really what we are. We want to know what's going on, who are we, how's the universe work, what's my place in it? All the questions; all the burning questions that everybody inherently wants to know that brings us all together. I received a doctorate level education in banking, in corporate governments and all these things that really I didn't have a whole lot of awareness around. It's like one of the questions that people are going to have-because we've had them amongst ourselves-when they watch this, they're going to say, "Well, what did those documents mean? What did they do? Are they legitimate? What was their agenda?" Those are very relevant questions. But what I look at and what I'm looking at right now, trying to stay out of the realm of speculation, even though it's really hard to, is that look at what a tsunami of an effect that those documents had-no matter the agenda-of people all around the world getting to this new place of understanding of how things are working and understanding that it's really not about the documents. What happened is the result of all this is that there was this wave, this tidal wave, of empowerment. I am free. I don't answer to anybody but myself and my creator. That's a whole other topic of conversation, but I'm free.
I have the ability to now stand up for myself and not allow myself to be trampled on by this alleged, perceived authority or what have you outside of my soul. Courtesy notices, people standing up for themselves in court, people standing up for themselves in exchanges with police officers, I mean this is empowering shit! Those are the things I'm looking at right now. It created this global network of new levels of awareness that are so invaluable and that have created so many amazing connections, relationships. How many people do we know that have gotten together and got married and formed relationships out of the result of coming together from all this information. Just as many splitting up and breaking apart, that's a whole other conversation. The amount of good that it has done-no matter the agenda-for me has just been absolutely profound and that is where I'm focusing my energy personally. For everybody that's watching this, I highly recommend that's where you focus your energy too, because the level of empowerment doesn't go away as a result of this. If anything, be more empowered. The way my perspective is at the end of the day is this, things always get shooken up the most when you're on the verge of a major transformation and that's where we are. We've been on the verge of a major transformation and this to me is a huge indicator that we've come a long frickin' way and we're doing a great frickin' job.
D: It's about continuing moving forward. This is it. We have gained a huge, new knowledge base that cannot be denied, by me certainly. Now I have this extra chunks of knowledge, i"m moving forward and using that knowledge to bring forward more searches to find the relevance of my prime focus, which is of course the financial industry and government corruption. I have a better arsenal at my disposal now, because of what I've been through. I am fully going to use everything I've learned to keep moving forward and ot keep bringing out the truth as I find it. Now I will be a little more careful in how I word things, as to not absolutes. I apologize for some of the things-like I said, I actually said this in my Skype room-that I stand in responsibility that the fact that there's a lot of things that I talked of and spoke in terms of-in tones of absolute-that this is what it is, when in fact, you know what, it could very well not be. Because I was just kind of repeating what I was told. I'm much more aware of that now.
Lisa: I just want to reiterate what Brian was saying in terms of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because what we've all gained is huge, huge. Don't underestimate it. That those filings...Heather said it herself many, many times on air, publicly...that were not for the people. They were for the (garbled). If that's true, if we were never meant to hear about them, maybe it's because they were so empowering. The thought of if they were to notify the system, because it's the system taking down the system, my thought right now is that if we weren't meant to know about them it's because they are that empowering. That's the effect that they had. they empowered a lot of people. They triggered a lot of us. They spoke to many of us. I think as a global community who followed this whole story, we've all grown so much. With or without an agenda, with or without her being able to walk her public persona, the talk, I wouldn't start regretting anything you've done. If you've walked the path of empowerment as a result, those filings as a result of what you've heard from her, don't start regretting that. Don't start second-guessing that. Hold onto that. Worst case scenario.
Whenever any disinfo agent comes on the scene, and I'm not saying she is, but I'm saying as an example, you know they've got to throw at least 90-95% of truth at you. So worst case scenario, because what we're looking at, we're looking at 90-95% truth or it wouldn't have had the impact that it did. She wouldn't have had the impact that she had. The people around the world, even when English wasn't their first language, they got what she was saying. they felt it. Whether she was talking about banking and finance or whether she was talking about the energetics, you felt it. So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater is all I'm saying.
D: Well I think...one of the things Nick and I have said in conversation on this and one of the most pointed things he said was whether she walks her talk, in some ways that's kind of irrelevant, the talk about responsibility and standing in full responsibility and about oneness and about working together, you can't doubt that. That just is. So I take that forward and that's brought me to a new level of understanding about that too. Yes, we are responsible for our actions and yes, we are all one and that we need to move forward this way.
Lisa: That's why we're doing this, so that we can say that we are trying walk our talk.
Brian: I think one of the realizations that we've had that we haven't spoke to yet is we heard ...and we've talked about this a lot as a group...we've heard the line so many times over the course of the last two years, "It is done. It's all done." What that implies is there's no more need to do anything because it's finished.
D: Sit back on your ass and stare at your navel.
Brian: So, what happened as a result of that was...and I think that the reason why we were even open to the whole concept of going dark as a media team...was because it was all done. So the result was an extreme amount of complacency that we're now all kind of coming out of and realizing...
D: Shaking it off.
Brian: Yeah, we're shaking it out. That's where we realized that okay, yeah, energetically we have the 2012 and all that stuff and yeah, a lot of is done. But it's not all done. There's still a lot of work to do. If nobody does anything, what kind of progress are we gonna make as a human species? 50% of the planet still lives below the poverty line and there's a lot of human suffering going on everywhere in the world. I actually, my greatest level of empowerment is that realization, because I'm now more motivated and more charged and more driven to put my energy to where I can make an impact and where I can make a difference than I ever have been in my entire life. That is a gift. that is a gift I truly hope to share with more people as the days and the weeks and the months continue. That will be a large part of my message. Be the change you want to see in the world. How can we inspire that in people? To where it's not just a beautiful quote from Gandhi, but it's a way that we walk, it's a way that we do, join forces and collaborate on awesome things that we could do to make a true, effective, lasting, tangible difference on this planet. I'm grateful for that. I really hope that that message to people that watch this inspires people, because we are so freaking powerful, especially when we join forces and we collaborate in unity. That's, as far as I'm concerned, the message moving forward.
D: I agree.
Mel Ve: All right, now, I think let's move on to you. It was a lovely chat with Brian and D in the last session. I really got some good information out of that; it's good to know where you guys are sitting. I think it creates a lot of perspective for people to understand where you're going next and the place where it's coming from. You've all come in with such different stories and there's so many different experiences. I think I'd like to hear what Mel and some of what you've experienced and put together through all of this.
Mel B: Okay, well, when this journey started with these guys meeting up in Morocco, etc, I was actually in England. I graduated from law school seven years ago. I was completely indoctrinated. In April 2013, I went to a conference on Lauren House(??): it was my first one. That was the day that I went down the rabbit hole. That same day, I was passed the foreclosure flyer. Energetically, when I was given that foreclosure flyer, it was like a light inside me switched on. It was, "oh my god, this is it". I didn't even know what "it" was at the time. So I then went down the rabbit hole at rapid pace. Alongside stood in all the realm of lawful, legal movements and filings. I ended up taking my Dad's house on, using those filings. I ended up taking a arrest warrant on for fake crime, with those filings. I organized...there was basically two visits from the bailiffs and the police...both times I organized 50-100 people to come to stand up to the bailiffs and the police with the filings. We managed to get rid of the bailiffs and the police both times. The third time, 20 police and bailiffs turned up at 6 am to my Dad's house unexpected, threatening to throw my Dad down the stairs, kicked my little boy and my Dad out of the house. I then got arrested. Not long after, both me and my Dad decided it was time to move to Morocco.
Do I regret it? Absolutely not. The filings for me not only gave me kind of like a leap frog, instead of studying the statutes in the UK and how to get around them and everything else, I was suddenly fully aware of the law on an international level and how it is all connected and how it all basically has already been the New World Order. They also gave me a leap frog in the spiritual sense, the energetics that I've learned due to those filings, the empowerment and freedom that I feel inside of me due to those filings. That's invaluable. Everything that Lisa, D, and Brian has said I completely agree with wholeheartedly. Obviously, I am a little bit concerned in relation to the agenda. We all are. We will just keep paying attention to the data that comes in.
D: (Garbled) our research.
Mel B: Yep, continue our research. But since we moved from Auochtam, we all realized and all voiced our concerns and all shared what was going on, the creativity, the love, the togetherness, the connection that we now have as a group brings tears to my eyes. It's basically feels like a phoenix rising; that's how it feels. I'm grateful beyond belief. Truly.
Mel Ve: I got a little tear there, Mel. (laughs) This is the way I look at this whole thing really. In our previous conversations, Lisa, I said something which people perhaps don't recognize what those pioneers who pick up a story and they go for it. It's not just, "Okay, let me broadcast a story and it doesn't really matter whether it's true or not. I'm just going to put it out there and whatever, whatever. " You've got this thing inside of you that wants to follow through. It's not just a story in the traditional, newsy, journalistic sense, this is something you feel within you, right?, that you want to get into. It's a purpose; it's more than just a job. Often you've got to do and make some very risky decisions. It involves some people that perhaps don't turn out to be who you thought they were when you started promoting their cause. I've had this happen to me again and again and again. The sad thing is, the viewing public will turn on and look at you and blame you for that. D, I'll use you as an example. Heather used you as a mouthpiece a lot to play her little games. I know. I was a victim of one of those publications that was taken out of context. Really, I'm afraid to me it was the incident that showed Heather up for who she was. Talking about transparency, not being transparent, promising me that the conversation would be confidential and then getting you to publish it through your blog, all of that sort of thing for me was things that started to add up.
I had a conversation with Brian last year about some of my concerns and what we decided from that is okay we're not going to focus on the negative, we're going to focus on the positive and that is we're all going to focus on unity. That was the beginning of the OPAL Tour and very happen to have gone down that route with you guys, because it was never a case of I will ever want to fall out with anybody through my recognition of things not being right with Heather. Rather, I took a back seat and just let it unfold, because I tell you I have absolutely 100% faith in Lisa Harrison as a person, as a spirit, as an eternal body of love and wisdom and light and she is one of the best in what she does. I knew in my heart that when the exposure, the evidence, was there that she wouldn't just stand there and just go with the flow. She would say something about it and the same with you Brian. I waited for you guys to actually go okay, look, it's not all what it seems and we're not prepared to go on. I recognize that and I've recognized it for a while, so all right, let's talk about it. I'm very glad that you've come forward and that you've spoken about it and you've gotten it out there.
Back to the point that I was making, is that it takes a lot of courage to go in and to follow a story and get into things the way you guys have. Get up and move to another country, a high level of courage, and people will look at you guys and blame you for the fact that the OPPT didn't deliver what it was supposed to deliver. All you guys did was follow that dream and push that ambition. It takes a lot of courage and you've got to get your hands in there and get dirty and people will judge you for having that dirt on your hands, as opposed to thanking you for doing the job that they didn't have to do. For getting your hands dirty, when they didn't have to do it. As a journalist, I completely get that, because I've been in that situation so many times, which is why I have the greatest of respect for you guys for your journey, for everything you've done, for everything you've achieved through OPAL, through One People to the ONE Network. Your entire journey is just something that's so inspiring. I think what we see now is only the beginning of much greater things to come. You've grown strong through it all. You've learned who your allies are. You've learned who to trust through trial and error, through much of, as I've already said, a cosmic gauntlet. I guess this is the convergence, really.
Brian: One thing I want to say real quick...first of all, thank you for that...we admire your work as well. That goes without saying.
D: Which is why we're doing this interview. You're the perfect person.
Brian: Yeah, when we said we'll do this, we all said "Mel Ve". If it were anybody else, I might've given it second thoughts. One of the things that Heather instilled upon us that I do very much resonate with is that everybody has a role to play in this big, cosmic game called life. Everybody's playing their parts perfectly. That goes for Heather too and for everybody. I truly believe there's no one job or role that's more important or less important or more valid or less valid than any other. To that extent, this is all by design on some level, right? We either believe everything happens for a reason or you don't. If you believe that everything happens for a reason, how can you not be absolutely grateful for everything that happens-no matter how it shakes out. Because it brings about more self-realization and it inspires more self-discovery and it inspires on so many new levels. So to that extent, everybody is doing such a phenomenal job. But the most important thing for me is that the job isn't done. It's not done yet. If anything, it's just freaking beginning. I can't stress it enough; that's what I'm excited about.
D: That is the prime excitement right now. If you could be here with us right now, over the last month especially, the excitement level within all of us has built exponentially, daily, as each of us comes forward with plans of how we're going to move forward and what we're going to do. The new network, all my...it's like daily there's like, "oh my, I'm gonna do this. Okay, I've got this story and I need to go public. Here's a piece and I'm going to bring in this person and this person and this really important and we need to really get this out" and it is a snowball effect. It is just this energy...it doesn't...energy never dissipates, it just seems to grow. The more excitement we have, the more creative we are and the faster we're moving forward, taking with us all the experiences that we've gathered along the path.
Mel Ve: Yeah, that is absolutely it. I don't think you could just one day decide to start a media platform. Some kind of mileage, history, knowledge and spiritual growth and personal experience from which you express yourself. As much as we're all born into eternal essence, beautiful creative beings, there comes a lot of going through everything that you're going through. Look at you as an example. All the things you've gone through, all of those experiences, being arrested and all of that, brings you to a point where you are now where you're doing amazing things because of it. Out of the darkness comes the light. Everything has it's purpose. Everything. We have to accept that there is a purpose for everything. Nothing is by accident, it's by design. With that in mind, I guess really try to maintain the beautiful attitude that I've seen exhibited by you guys, which is that no matter what comes of this, we embrace it and try to take from it the things that will bring us solutions to create a fast, sustainable world.
Brian: Hallelujah. (laughter)
Lisa: There's no many things, that I kept saying, "Oh, I want to address that". But then it kept going and I kind of lost track. (laughter)
Lisa: Well, first, thanks to Mel Ve for her...thank you for your beautiful words. Yours and my relationship goes back quite a ways. For as long as we've known each other, there's been a kind of kindred spirit vibe going on there. Love and respect is absolutely mutual. Mel B has been an absolute gift and a blessing, because I don't think we as a group would've come out of what we've come out of as cohesively as we have if not for her. She was an integral part of that. In fact, she wasn't an integral part of that, she was like THE single, driving force of that. Because of things that she was privy to with Heather, she saw things before we did, basically I'll say that. She was able to preempt and preplan and create a space for us to come together and get the hell out.
Lisa: She's a blessing on many levels and she's an integral part of the network now, in terms of helping, driving, running...I mean this is not a five minute job as you know. Try and run something like this. I've been doing this for five years now, six years, something like that, seven days a week. Eight, ten, 12-hour days, you know that. It's exhausting, so having someone as on the ball as she is in a lot of ways...she's legally on the ball, she's energetically on the ball, she's emotionally on the ball, she's mentally on the ball...she's someone I can completely trust. She's earned it and she earned it really, really quickly. I can't say how proud I am to move forward with those three. yeah, I know it's a love fest.
Lisa: I'm gonna cry.
(unidentified female): Me too.
(garbled laughter and overtalk)
Mel Ve: Oh, that's beautiful Lisa. I think we're probably heading towards the end. Before we do that, I just really want to get a summary of anything anybody wishes to offer. Anything that we've left out of importance for people trying to understand with regards to the whole experience that you guys have had?
Lisa: Well, do you have any questions?
Mel Ve: Yeah, okay. Questions. Obviously, people are going to ask, the filings. Are they legitimate? Are they not? Do you believe they have any value for us going forward?
D: That is an ongoing search.
D: We've devoted tons and tons of time to it all already and it is something that we are very much actively researching.
Lisa: For me personally, because I had this experience, I had a very tangible experience that keeps getting referred to, by me usually, as my beast version. I put stock in those filings because of that, not purely because of that, but they played a big part. I do feel that that experience was genuine. I also feel that everything I've done in the last couple of years has been fueled by that experience. I think the power of those documents is more...and I think this is what I've said all along, actually...is more in it's empowerment energetically to us than it may be in the legal system. Legally, if you need a piece of paper to tell you that you're a human being with rights and freedoms, it's really no piece of paper that's going to give you that in the way that will completely convince you. I think the power of those documents were in the energetics. But again, I'm going to restate, that's where I sit right now and that's subject to change, given data. Do I think that they are harmful? No, not at this point. I think that everything that came after them;;;the Courtesy Notices, as Brian mentioned earlier, they weren't created by Heather...they make reference to them. But they were created by others, here in Australia actually. They were the things, the piece of paper that people used. People didn't go walking around with UCC filings. They walked around with Courtesy Notices. They walked around with Foreclosure Flyers. Filed and handed our other pieces of paper that the people made up. They were the ones who were equally as empowering. The more you handed a bank manager or a cop or court official a Courtesy Notice, they took notice. The impact they had on the system may well have been more than the original filings had on the system. I don't know at this point, because it was the people, en masse, handing those things on behalf of themselves, as opposed to one person doing on behalf of everyone. Knowing every country was doing it, that's huge.
Brian: Another thing that I can add here is that as a result of the Courtesy Notices and the massive amounts of distribution they've gotten globally, all it takes is one court or system or credit card company or whatever it might be to back down from either pursuing fault or legally, lawfully or trying to impose some fictitious credit card debt or whatever to say that they have some kind of legitimacy there. i blogged about a lot of those cases. People getting mortgages cleared. People getting credit cards cleared. Student loans cleared. People clearing their names in court. All this stuff. If there's no legitimacy to those filings, then that most likely wouldn't have happened. For me personally, it's like...I had this conversation many times on Facebook and on the radio show...it's an empowerment tool. It doesn't take documents. It takes people standing in their power.
Paperwork is irrelevant, really. You get 100,00 people in one place to peaceful resist having their right s taken away from them, that's a million times energetically and otherwise more powerful than any documents could ever be. It's ultimately people that band together and know that something's not right, this isn't working anymore, I'm going to stand up for myself, I'm going to stand in my power, that's the change. That's where change comes. That's exactly what has happened. If the filings, the paperwork, if people need that tool that they can hold in their hands and take around and say it's because of this, then fine. I'd do the same thing with a banana. It doesn't matter. It's a matter of empowerment. From that level, they did exactly what they were supposed to do, from my vantage point. It's only natural that people are gonna want to know is there an agenda behind them? They're going to start picking apart the words that were used, like Creator and bondservant and start to look at it from a different perspective, through a different set of lens. That maybe there's something else going on there, but that doesn't take away the empowerment that has come as result. I think that's one of the major messages that I've been trying get across, even before all this went down.
D: Yeah, I've said it multiple, multiple times that the Courtesy Notices were a tool of incredible power. They have made incredible amounts of changes, even so much as just rattling the cage and giving notice to those in charge of..."yeah, no, we're not buying this anymore". I've said it for a year and a half now, all the people who sent Courtesy Notices to me are heroes. Because each and every one of those that went out all over the world and we know that there were literally millions of Courtesy Notices sent out globally, which was never part of the plan, that was something that was picked up by the Bartles and by Chris Hales and they put it together and it was moved forward by them being inspired by the documents. But maybe they would have found inspiration through something else anyway. They were the inspiration behind it. Something that has made a radical change. (garbled overtalk)
Lisa: Scott had already created that anyway as a result of his (garbled). Pretty much all he did was change the references in it to refer to the filings.
D: So this global tool that went out, people will still look at t and will go, "Well, I still lost my case. I still lost my house. I didn't get my loans wiped out.", etc. For a lot of people that is true, but they had an exceptional effect for the banking and legal industry. (garbled overtalk) In the individual case or the bailiffs, etc, they still had a very direct effect and the effect was people standing up all at once all united, saying "No more."
Mel B: I actually wrote to the court with the filings, asking for X, Y, and zed and I got a letter back from the judge, "No comment."
D: Yeah, that was funny. I forgot about that.
Mel B: No comment.
D: Yep, no comment was their comment. (laughter)
Brian: That's a pretty big comment.
Lisa: We said multiple times on the radio shows throughout 2013, that if you need a piece of paper to know that you're free, then no piece of paper is going to do it. The documents are either...I can't even remember the words we used...but basically, they're kind of irrelevant in terms of the empowerment to your own personal freedom. You either know that inherently or you don't. If reading those documents helps you embody that and helps you really embrace that, then great. Read them out loud. Read them over and over again. The documents are free. They were always free. It's just whether or not you knew it and embraced it and lived it and acted on it. A lot of us found the empowerment, the guts to do that, through the wording of those documents. They were timed beautifully, right at the end of 2012.
Mel Ve: I want to ask one more quick question. I'm not asking for speculation here, but as a journalist, once you throw everything else out or whatever is left must be truth, with that in mind, you guys are all very intelligent, incredibly intelligent people at the cutting edge of cutting edge information, so you must have put some pieces together. Without speculating too much, I'd really just like to get an idea of who or what you think Heather Tucci Jarraf is and what her agenda was. If you wanted to talk about that a little before we finish.
Lisa: Well, I don't know if there's any way we can talk about it without speculation, because we don't have any facts. We really don't and I wish we did, because all we walked away from our lives with more questions than answers and there's no way of getting answers.
Mel B: We do know that she is highly, highly connected, in the banking world, in the legal world. I mean, if she hadn't such stories on such connections, none of those would (garbled). She lived the life. It was like she was born for this job. She was.
D: But what she is, is still a question.
Mel B: Yeah.
Brian: That's why unfortunately I can't respond to that. It would be purely speculation, based on my own opinion. Really, I haven't drawn those conclusions. That data will come when it's time. It could be anything. She could be completely pure in her intent. Those documents could be completely legitimate. She just has an issue with consistency in walking the walk and maybe issues with not being truthful and not being transparent; those human issues. That's a possibility. Maybe some other major agenda that hasn't felt clear yet. That's just not where I'm focused, for me personally right now, because I know that information when it needs to come out will come out in its own way in its own time. I try to avoid pushing timing over hypothecating to try and force answers when enough data to speculate just isn't quite there yet. That's just personally where I'm at with that particular question.
D: The things that I said in my Skype room have already been discussed very openly. We know we can only give our perspective, based on our experiences. But it is only our perspective and it is based on experiences that are viewed through our own perspective. That does not make our perspective accurate. In some ways, it does not mean that I can come out and say, "Well, this is this, this, this, and this and therefore, I draw this conclusion.", because it's still based on my perspective. I completely agree that my perspective is at this point, and has been, colored by anger and hurt. I'm not willing to draw a conclusion while that set of glasses is still on. All I can say is (garbled)...
Brian: I think I just accidentally just made up a word. I said hypothecate and I don't think that's word. I meant hypothesize. You just called me intelligent a minute ago and I know a lot of people are going to call me on that, (laughter) so I got to clear the air real quick on that.
Lisa: Hypothecate, I do believe, is a word.
Mel Ve: Yeah, you had me fooled. I thought that was a real word. (general laughter)
D: Let's get a dictionary.
Mel Ve: See, you just exposed yourself there Brian, not before. (general laughter) Okay guys, I think that that's pretty much it. You've given a beautifully cosmic perspective and very emotionally mature echo to the whole thing considering how much all of you have sacrificed in the journey that you've been on. What I would say, it's given me a lot of inspiration as to the collective, creative power that the ONE Network is gonna bring. I certainly look forward to what's coming up from you guys next.