There has been an on going conversation on Rumor Mill News, back and forth between David Crayford and I, for the past two or three days. As the conversation links have slid so far down the RMN main page, I am posting the on going conversation here for transparency.
It all started with the posting of an article, originally from Philosophyofmetrics
HERE, between JC Collins and Karen Hudes on RMN which can be found
HEREI am not going to get into the details of it, but highly recommend reading it as Collins writing is very insightful and thought provoking at the best of times, and very humorous in this instance.
As Hudes brought up David Crawford in her communications with Collins (god knows why) and David Crawford responded on RMN
HERE
I have never been a fan or follower of Crawford, but in this instance, his comments are excellent and a good portion of the information he gives is WAY closer to accurate than the disinfo that Hudes is spreading.
I will post the conversations from RMN between Crawford and myself in the order that they were posted.
“And who is David Crayford”? I am the official spokesperson for the ITC / OITC, that is who
Posted By: igots2no [Send E-Mail]
Date: Tuesday, 25-Mar-2014 08:51:24
In Response To: The Karen Hudes Operation (igots2no)
Dear Dimce,
Ref: to the article as referred below, which needs further input.
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The Karen Hudes Operation
Posted By: igots2no [Send E-Mail]Date: Monday, 24-Mar-2014 21:48:02
I have just finished reading the article (as referenced above) on RMN http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=303377 and the website https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/UBS+UNCUT.pdf and feel compelled to respond to this because once again, it gives a small part of the story, sufficient to mislead people, but it doesn’t give the whole part of the story which shows a completely different picture.
Allow me to start with the uncut US Dollar Notes. These are NOT the normal US Dollar Notes currently in circulation, referred by many as Federal Reserve Notes. They are in fact the “Reagan Dollars” or otherwise known as the “Asian Dollar”. These were printed in the Philippines and China for a purpose which is a “Common Currency” for the whole of the South East Asia Region (Ten (10) countries to be precise). In fact there were Trillions of these Dollar Notes printed which are all mainly in storage in China, but there are some in the Philippines, as well as within UBS (The European Agent for the Federal Reserve). China have been attempting to do a deal with the Americans on these Notes based upon a 50/50 basis.
This “Common Currency” was supposed to have been initiated in 1998 but it all collapsed because the 10 Asian countries involved rejected it because they did not desire to be controlled by the Federal Reserve. Introduction of this currency was then rescheduled for 2004 but again it collapsed because the 10 countries rejected it.
This is what all the arguments are partially about re: Thaksin Shinawatra (Former P.M. Of Thailand, convicted criminal and fugitive from justice) and his Sister (the current Prime Minister of Thailand). The fact is they are working very closely with the Americans, along with other leaders of some of the Asian countries involved, reference to the introduction of the Asian Dollar.
With reference to the Gold backing for this currency, there are three vitally important issues here which will open people’s eyes and allow them to understand these things better:-
A). Although Marcos executed this agreement with Ronald Reagan, he later pulled out of the agreement and rescinded same, because he had established what the Americans were really trying to do, and it certainly was not for Humanitarian purposes as indicated within the agreement. It was for political purposes combined with a common currency controlled by the Federal Reserve. Total control over the the 10 Asian countries achieved by devious means.
Americans had under-mined Marcos reference to the ABL currency (a Common Currency for the 10 countries of South East Asia which was Gold Backed) which the 10 countries had previously agreed to under International Treaty (Note: I have those Treaties on record).
Now you know some of the reasons why Marcos, in the eyes of America, had to go. Haven’t we all seen similar instances in the more recent years.
B). The second vital point here is that Marcos withdrew the Gold he had previously agreed to reference / allocate to the aforesaid agreement. Therefore this “Reagan Dollar” or other referred to as the “Asian Dollar” is just “Fiat” currency with no real value, and certainly hasn’t got any Gold backing it.
C). The third point is equally important, and probably the most important. That is the January 1995 Treaty agreements executed by the Nations of the World which appointed a Legal Heir to Decadency, a legal Owner, Sole Arbiter, and Controller, of the Combined International Collateral Accounts of the Global Debt Facility, otherwise known as the Collateral Accounts, Global Accounts, Global Debt Facility. That person was Dr. Ray C. Dam, the former Gold Signatory to the G7, and just like Marcos, Ray Dam had to go.
These 1995 agreements and the content thereof, superseded all other previous agreements entered into by the Americans with any Holder, Custodian, Signatory, etc of the Collateral Accounts, prior to 1995, and there are many of them, all of which are voided, invalidated, and legally unenforceable.
This being the real situation, then that agreement executed by Marcos and Reagan as shown within the said article / report, is legally void, is now invalid, and legally unenforceable. So in simple terms, it means nothing and holds no legal substance whatsoever.
The real question now is who is trying to mislead the public into believing something which legally no longer is valid and has no meaning whatsoever.
Let me now attend to specific and important issues in reference to the article written by J C Collins within the aforementioned web article:- https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/UBS+UNCUT.pdf
i). I have to agree with J C Collins’s comments, quote “it is my contention that she is the lead figure in a psychological operation meant to distract away from real events and processes happening in the world”.
Karen Hudes has proven nothing yet, other than having a small amount of information which she believes is the whole picture, followed by the constant repetitiveness of her interviews and the deviation to other subjects within her comments.
ii). The statement, quote “The truth that your blog is evading has to do with the source of financing for the Ukrainian revolt and whether it was fomented by nonindigenous forces”.
The real truth of the matter is that the Ukrainian situation was unlawfully financed by the Collateral Accounts through unlawful use of assets of the Collateral Accounts by the Federal Reserve within an illicit “Trading” program. It is all part of their “One World Currency” Doctrine propagated by America and its Allies.
iii). The statement, quote “My original sources, cloaked in illegal secrecy, are impeccable. I challenge you to inform your readers by publishing them:”
If your sources are “Cloaked in illegal secrecy”then why are you condoning such illegal secrecy by a). Stating same, and b). Requesting that J.C. Collins publish them??????
iv). The statement, quote “I simply cited the Green Hilton Agreement so that people would know what John F. Kennedy was doing that caused the Jesuits to murder him. David Crayford is deliberately trying to undermine me by attributing to me positions that I do not hold. This is what is known as a “straw man” argument. I never said that the Green Hilton Agreement was now in force and effect”.
You keep quoting the “Green Hilton Agreement” even after I have advised that it is legally invalid and unenforceable, WHY ????????? Why do you keep quoting “The Green Hilton Agreement” when you now openly state, quote “I never said that the Green Hilton Agreement was now in force and effect”. You must have a belief that it is in legal effect and enforceable, hence why you keep quoting it, so you are in fact contradicting yourself Ms Hudes.
I am trying to undermine you am I, by attributing to you positions that you do not hold. You stated yourself that after your dismissal from the World Bank, you were reinstated, so I only attributed to you your last position as you have publicly stated. In fact Ms Hudes, you have undermined yourself in many ways because you really do not know what you are talking about. It doesn’t need me to undermine you at all, why, because eventually all misinformation agents run out of steam and start repeating themselves or changing the subject. You have totally undermined yourself, but typical, you, like all others, have to shift the blame onto someone else. Don’t blame me for your own misgivings Ms. Hudes.
v). The statement, quote “And who is David Crayford”?
I am the official spokesperson for the ITC / OITC, that is who. The ITC being the Legal Heir, Owner, Sole Arbiter, and Controller of the Combined International Collateral Accounts of the Global Debt Facility, otherwise referred to as the Collateral Accounts, the Global Accounts, the Global Debt Facility.
vi). The statement, quote “The legal authority for the issuance of the uncut dollars that John F. Kennedy printed https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/UBS+UNCUT.pdf comes from the Bilateral Agreement, (see paragraph 6, giving the World Bank and IMF legal authority over the Collateral Account.) https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/BILATERAL.pdf
Boy, oh boy, someone really has got their lines crossed here. Quote “that John F. Kennedy printed” What BS. These were authorised under Reagan not Kennedy, even the agreement was signed by Reagan not Kennedy, whereby there were to be the new “Asian Dollar”, otherwise known as the “Reagan Dollar”, the common currency of the 10 South East Asian countries which was rejected by said countries because they did not desire to be controlled by the Federal Reserve. For information purposes there is a period of 18 years and 59 days between the Presidency of JFK and that of R Reagan.
As for the, quote “comes from the Bilateral Agreement, (see paragraph 6, giving the World Bank and IMF legal authority over the Collateral Account.)”.
Ferdinand Marcos withdrew from that agreement when he realised what the Americans were up to, so the agreement is void and has no legal basis nor is it enforceable at any times. This Bilateral Agreement, whether considered legal by one Nation, or otherwise, was superseded by the January 1995 Treaty agreements between the Nations of the World. These agreements were also based upon the 1976 agreements, the 1980 agreements, and of course the 1995 agreements, and now the May 2012 agreements. The World Bank and IMF, DO NOT have Legal Authority over the Collateral Accounts. That is where the World Bank and IMF are committing fraud because they claim something which they have no legal right to claim and there are no legal agreements in force to substantiate their claim.
There is another issue here Ms Hudes, that being that at the time you were Senior Legal Counsel to the World Bank so you must be aware of the illegality of these agreements you refer to. At the same time you must also be aware of many other illegal agreements initiated by the World Bank reference to the Collateral Accounts. You may have also been a signatory to some of the agreements, if not externally, then internally, which makes you complicit in fraud against the Collateral Accounts, Ms Hudes.
vii). The statement, quote “I have been reinstated by the Board of Governors of the World Bank and IMF as the Acting General Counsel of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.”.
Am I wrong in stating that the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development is the former name for the World Bank. Research shows, quote “Established in 1944 as the original institution of the World Bank Group”, and quote “It was established in 1944 with the mission of financing the reconstruction of European nations devastated by World War II. Together, the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development and its concessional lending arm, the International Development Association, are collectively known as the World Bank as they share the same leadership and staff”. In fact it is the very same organisation Ms Hudes. If I am correct, what game are you playing here Ms Hudes.
ix). The statement, quote “The Board of Governors of the World Bank has authorized the release of the uncut US dollars from Union Bank of Switzerland https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Karen-Hudes+(2).jpg in accordance with the instructions of the authorized signatory, Wolfgang Struck. The banking cartel is illegally refusing to release the uncut US dollars printed by John F. Kennedy. Instead, the banking cartel wants to engineer the collapse of the US dollar.”
Neither the Board of Governors, the World Bank, or Union Bank of Switzerland (Proper name is United Bank of Switzerland based upon when they were taken over by SBC some years ago. They still like to use the words Union Bank because people have short memories and publicly it appears to be the same bank, when in reality it isn’t); hold any authority over the “uncut dollars”.
You will find that because of the various agreements regarding these “Uncut Dollars” and International Treaties, these “Uncut Dollars” were transferred to the Collateral Accounts so that they could not be used by the issuers at any time in the future.
Wolfgang Struck is NOT THE AUTHORISED SIGNATORY as is claimed, and that can be proven legally.
Why is the banking cartel refusing to release the “Uncut Dollars” .......... Probably because they know the truth and with many already facing severe financial penalties and possibly later, fraud charges, they are being ultra careful not in involve themselves with persons who are not who they claim to be, Ms. Hudes.
x). The statement, quote “You should follow me on Twitter, @KarenHudes as I will have nothing further to do with Rumor Mill News. David Crayford deliberately removed the thread of links that would have enabled his readers to understand my information”.
Now you are trying to blame me for something I have absolutely no control over, Ms. Hudes. How cheap, foolish, and very low in character you are making yourself look Ms. Hudes.
The issue of whether an article is published or not by RMN is entirely at the discretion of the Administrators of that site, Ms. Hudes, not me.
I have no legal or financial connection to RMN at all, so I have no control over anything they do or say.
Get your facts right Ms. Hudes and stop misinforming people with your gossip.
A lot of whatever you say Ms. Hudes is mere speculation and supposition. Whether you care to believe it or not, I am, not only a lawyer but more of an authority on the subject of the Collateral Accounts than what you will ever believe.
In my opinion, you are a misinformation agent, putting out an awful amount of BS for the people to believe, when in fact they should be rejecting and discarding it. We attempted to inform you of various factors that are all verifiable, but you even refused to accept our envelope that was delivered to you, because you did not want to involve yourself with “Top Secret” matters.
All I can say Ms. Hudes, is in that case, do not get involved with the Collateral Accounts and the fraudulent goings on at the World Bank and the IMF, because this is a “Top Secret” matter and no one will ever get to the truth unless they hold one of the highest International security level classification ratings, which normally is held only by Kings, Queens, Presidents, and Prime Ministers as well as the International Treasury Controller, and NO, Ms. Hudes, we are NOT cabal and do not adhere to the cabal’s policies, or the One World Order.
We are a “SOVEREIGN ENTITY” completely independent from Politics (National or International) or religion, with our own jurisdiction, and one that stands above and beyond all other “Sovereign Nations”.
We don’t want you in the picture stirring up the muddy waters because you, like others, just impede our objectives and prevent us from doing our job ........... Perhaps that is your purpose Ms. Hudes?????????????
David P. Crayford.
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D from RTS has comments for David Crayford
Posted By: igots2no [Send E-Mail]
Date: Tuesday, 25-Mar-2014 22:21:08
In Response To: “And who is David Crayford”? I am the official spokesperson for the ITC / OITC, that is who (igots2no)
D from RTS writes:
Standing round of applause! While I do not agree with Crawford on many things, his outline in this article is WAY closer to the actual facts than the drivel that Hudes tried to sell to the public. The Reagan dollars ARE in China- there are literally vaults filled with pallets of this currency scam and they are completely useless and have 0 value at all. NOTHING that Reagan did was for the "betterment of man" nor "humanitarian" ..... The Wanta Reagan Mitterand accords/theft is a glaring tribute to that, along with the Marcos debacle.
The ponzi scam "money" that financed the Ukraine's protests (and syria etc) was not from the Collateral Accounts though- the accounts are locked down and even the two people who were the ONLY two who had access to the accounts, are now locked out. The money that has been used is part of the ridiculous make believe money shuffling and monetary slight of hand tricks which the Fed has been using for the past year to keep up the illusion that all is well in Economicland.
As for the "Green Hilton Agreements" I have a copy of them myself and spent quite a bit of time searching for verification of their validity. I have found none, and have found no one that can provide ANY proof that they were even actually signed, let alone put into play.
Hudes is STILL employed for the World Bank. That alone speaks louder than words- and by the very ommission of well known information that anyone in her position would possess- ie: what is the value, where it comes from, how money is created, the fact that all these governments are actually corporations who are controlled by the banksters.... she is proclaiming openly that she is a disinformationist.
Right now, there is a HUGE web is misinformation and disinformation being spread across the internet and around the world. The idea is to give enough truth to get your attention... then spawn very believable lies to muddy the waters and distract from the actual truth and facts of what is going on. With anyone like Hudes, it's more important to hear what she does NOT say, than to listen to what she IS saying. Take notice of the topics that she does NOT talk about, pay attention to the things that she tosses off as lies, but then hurries away to talk about something else entirely. This goes for anyone blowing the whistle from an official position.
There is a LOT of truth coming out in the media right now- more than ever before, which is why I started Transpicuous News, to show the glaring transparency that is flooding out. All you need to do is pay attention to what is being said and not said.... it's all right there in black and white.
As I said, while I don't agree with Crawford on a lot of things..... great article!!! Thank you!
love D
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David Crayford responds to D from RTS
Posted By: igots2no [Send E-Mail]
Date: Wednesday, 26-Mar-2014 08:44:58
In Response To: D from RTS has comments for David Crayford (igots2no)
David Crayford writes:
I am pleased to see that someone other than the likes of Keenan, Hudes, Drake, Wilcock, Casper, and others, does not agree with many factors that I state. I welcome that as it leads to good open discussion and further understandings regarding a very complex subject.
However, I would like to point out a couple of issues with Reader D’s comments.
If I may just correct you on one issue. It is Crayford not Crawford, or in the case of Keenan who refers to me as Crayfish.
The second issue is, quote “The ponzi scam "money" that financed the Ukraine's protests (and syria etc) was not from the Collateral Accounts though- the accounts are locked down and even the two people who were the ONLY two who had access to the accounts, are now locked out”.
We are fully aware that the accounts have been locked down. That is an effort to stop all the fraud that has existed for decades. However, and as I certainly would expect, the crooks have found a way around all of this. This is where you have misunderstood what I have previously written.
One way is that the Federal Reserve have been trading Petchilli Bonds, Mexican Bonds, etc for a considerable time, building up a ‘slush Fund’ in conjunction with other crooks mainly the CIA and NSA. When this was realised this trading was blocked, but now they have moved onto the Kennedy Bonds and trading through the various International Banks.
That too is now blocked and being locked down. The aforesaid ‘slush fund’ has yet to be located but it has been split into numerous accounts in various parts of the world under pseudonym names, so it will take time to locate all of it. In the meantime they are using these funds for financing covert operations which does include the Ukrainian situation. I did briefly explain this in my previous article by stating the words ‘by the Federal Reserve within an illicit “Trading” program’.
A second factor is that we are aware that a Signatory of an account, which is not the original signatory but a former NSA/CIA employee who was deliberately and purposely placed into the Signatory position of one of the Trusts, so that access for illicit activities could take place quite easily. That person gave the access and other codes to Prince Bandar (This happened before the ‘Lock down’ of the accounts) who accessed the Federal Reserve ‘Blue Screens’ and immediately removed $32 billion US Dollars. By following the money trail, this money, or a large part of it, was used to finance insurgency in Syria. Prince Bandar, or the Saudi Royal Family, will now have to pay this $32 billion back, whether they like it or not.
That is all I need to say to Reader D, other than Thank You for your comments.
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Reply to David Crayford from D of RTS
Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Wednesday, 26-Mar-2014 18:27:16
In Response To: David Crayford responds to D from RTS (igots2no)
(Thanks, D. :)
Reader D. of RemovingTheShackles replies:
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Hi David- Sorry about misspelling your name!
As for the Collateral accounts. Actually the money didn't come from the accounts- because they are locked down.... BUT.... what the lovely money digger thieves did was to mirror the accounts, using them as.... "collateral", lol! When they discovered in late 2012 that even the signatories could not access the biometric security systems, they created a sort of ETF to Mirror the accounts, and claimed the funds that are locked down as collateral for the money they magically created through the ETF Mirror. Nice eh? I think that you'll find that the "slush fund" you are looking for is the mirrored ETF that, if I remember correctly, was run through UBS.
Before the security system locked out the two signatories in 2012, they- the thieves- use to access the accounts by quasi kidnapping the two of them, having them open the accounts and then dropping them off back home while they money thieves ran off with the "dough".
And yes it IS good to have these conversations and to pull all this info out into the publics awareness.... this is how people SEE the incredible fraud that has been going on.
D
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As a side note, Heather and Bill and I did a lot of research into the ETFs a while ago. Bill posted this into one of the skype rooms:
[3/26/2014 8:29:37 PM] 🌴 AK 🌴: ETF=EXCHANGE TRADED FUND...
[3/26/2014 8:35:43 PM] 🌴 AK 🌴: Exchange traded funds are mirror accounts by definition. For example an ETF of the SP500 mirrors the SP500 index. ETFs are created by firms like Goldman Sachs, and they buy the underlying stock and create a mirror in the ETF called a "CREATION UNIT" there is supposed to be a 1-to-1 correspondence in these but its not closely regulated, its just assumed something real backs the ETF. Heather, D and I were researching these a few months back and we thought perhaps that was how they were now hiding the birth certificate bonds, in ETFs, it severs the accounting trail to the underlying security by laundering it thru the "creation unit"...
[3/26/2014 8:36:25 PM] 🌴 AK 🌴: I think its also a way in a pinch to nab the underlying asset while crashing the ETF funds...
I strongly suspect that THIS is how they managed to keep the broken system going for a little while longer- by mirroring funds and using the original's as collateral. But now even that isn't working for them any more because you still have to have investors to buy into the ETFs and be able to convince them that these "investments" are a great way to make a profit. Unfortunately for the PTW, the investors are no longer playing that game- they have been burned far too many times to just accept something at face value now. The newest rage is "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!"
.... and when no one can show them the money..... well, it's starting to make all these "investors" just a weeeeee bit leery. The MSM can talk the talk about "economic recovery" and all this crap to th egeneral public, but the financial circles and groups are smarter than your average bear, and they KNOW the real deal is dead.
