tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post5669908733325061173..comments2023-08-24T12:21:35.333+01:00Comments on Removing The Shackles: Fair Tax? Research neededD ... Breaking The Silencehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07723329089024283882noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-9405448710735018372013-01-18T18:55:32.659+00:002013-01-18T18:55:32.659+00:00Fairtax is a goofy fraud, and I offer 50,000 dolla...<br />Fairtax is a goofy fraud, and I offer 50,000 dollars if you can prove otherwise. I was an early supporter of this con, it sounded so great. So I read the fine print and asked questions. It sounds great cause the lying bastards left out 80% of the revenue. It's not just a personal retail sales tax -- that's about 20% of it. Guess what, 80% of Fairtax these lying bastards hide in the fine print.<br /><br />SPecifically, all you have to do to get the 50K is show ANYTING -- ANYTHING in HR25 that proves it's a simple retail personal sales tax. That's the impression they give -- a simple personal retail tax. SHouldnt that be in the legislation SOMEWHERE? It's not there. Go look,<br /><br />But in the fine print are huge other taxes -- look hard, Look in the footnotes and definitions. President Bush Tax Advisory Panel had not trouble finding it -- you can see it too, just read it carefully. You have to read their definitions very carefully. <br /><br />Also, their "supporting documents" are important. In the legislation and supporting documents are explainations of their "tax base" Tax base is that which they tax. Yes, retail sales are "in the tax base". But so are massive other things -- so there are massive other taxes. REmember that, what's in the tax base, is what they tax.<br /><br />http://fairtaxgoofy.blogspot.com/Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10206503506011763393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-66514755101821741522013-01-12T06:58:03.840+00:002013-01-12T06:58:03.840+00:00http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:1:./t...http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:1:./temp/~bdiRHR:@@@L&summ2=m&|/home/LegislativeData.php|<br /><br />Here is the link and the copy paste of the act/ I don't like the fact that the tax will be set at insane amount of 23% and they also Redesignates the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 as the Internal Revenue Code of 2013. Meaning they are keeping the IRC and just renaming it to IRC 2013.<br /><br />H.R.25<br />Latest Title: Fair Tax Act of 2013<br />Sponsor: Rep Woodall, Rob [GA-7] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (53)<br />Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.<br />Jump to: Summary, Major Actions, All Actions, Titles, Cosponsors, Committees, Related Bill Details, Amendments<br />SUMMARY AS OF:<br />1/3/2013--Introduced.<br /><br />Fair Tax Act of 2013 - Repeals the income tax, employment tax, and estate and gift tax. Redesignates the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 as the Internal Revenue Code of 2013.<br /><br />Imposes a national sales tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services. Sets the sales tax rate at 23% in 2015, with adjustments to the rate in subsequent years. Allows exemptions from the tax for property or services purchased for business, export, or investment purposes, and for state government functions.<br /><br />Sets forth rules relating to: (1) the collection and remittance of the sales tax, and (2) credits and refunds. Allows a monthly sales tax rebate for families meeting certain size and income requirements.<br /><br />Grants states the primary authority for the collection of sales tax revenues and the remittance of such revenues to the Treasury. Sets forth administrative provisions relating to: (1) the filing of monthly reports and payments of tax; (2) accounting methods; (3) registration of sellers of goods and services responsible for reporting sales; (4) penalties for noncompliance; and (5) collections, appeals, and taxpayer rights.<br /><br />Directs the Secretary of the Treasury to allocate sales tax revenues among: (1) the general revenue, (2) the old-age and survivors insurance trust fund, (3) the disability insurance trust fund, (4) the hospital insurance trust fund, and (5) the federal supplementary medical insurance trust fund.<br /><br />Prohibits the funding of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) after FY2017. Establishes in the Department of the Treasury: (1) an Excise Tax Bureau to administer excise taxes not administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF); and (2) a Sales Tax Bureau to administer the national sales tax.<br /><br />Terminates the sales tax imposed by this Act if the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (authorizing an income tax) is not repealed within seven years after the enactment of this Act.<br />MAJOR ACTIONS:<br /><br />***NONE***<br />ALL ACTIONS:<br /><br />1/3/2013:<br /> Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means. <br /><br />TITLE(S): (italics indicate a title for a portion of a bill)<br /><br /> SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED:<br /> Fair Tax Act of 2013<br /><br /> OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:<br /> To promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-15059510323920619292013-01-11T17:29:14.229+00:002013-01-11T17:29:14.229+00:00It is so simple everyone if you just sit and think...It is so simple everyone if you just sit and think for a moment. Supposedly there is an interim Presedent in office right now. Let him keep the office for the 120 days and then elect Elders and not another government. Elect Elders for towns- cities- states- countries-- and the world. Have no borders as we should all be living as One big society and family now as we are indeed one people and soul in truth. Allow the Elders to serve as guides to the people but not allow them to rule or create laws of any kind. Take the wealth of the world combined and clean up the world while providing for the complete needs of all human beings on the plane. Then give every human being enough money to exist and survive very comfortably for the remainder of their lives while at the same time phasing out money completely and making every thing eventually free to everyone. There will no longer be the rich and the poor in our world. Machinery- artificial intelligence- and new technologies like replicators ( provides things of many difference shapes and sizes) - free energy devices- and many other wonderful technologies would cause it to be virtually unnecessary for anyone ever to again "have"to work. We would literally be living in a world where there would be no more need for people to be rich while others remain poor and enslaved to the rich in the meantime.No need to worry about people who get greedy as they will be taught many new principles and knowledge in life as we as a society and generation awaken to newer and higher things spiritually as well as physically and rationally.No more need for government- no more need for money- no more need for punishment- no more need for laws- and no more need for one man or group to ever again rule over or control another human being or group of human beings ever again. You heard me right- no more need for punishment. And I can explain how to those who are truly serious about fixing this world! Thank you for your time --Daniel --- Daniel Grosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511560822507036565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-45949187363294795042013-01-10T20:22:03.131+00:002013-01-10T20:22:03.131+00:00Even thought they will be giving everyone a probat...Even thought they will be giving everyone a probate based on the current HHS poverty level per household, and I would rather it be in a FairTax format, we are still paying money to the IRS. I agree, if they are going to do it this way, until stopped, necessities being taxed should not be; i.e., food, clothing, shelter, etc. Used items will not be taxed. Still, IRS taxing should dissappear.<br /><br />If they are going to continue to rob me (us), I would think the rate should be lower like up to 15% max. and no taxing of food, med's, etc. The way it is going, they will actually be getting a lot more tax money almost instantly.<br /><br />Do a search and discover what goes with the money we pay the IRS. We pay more to the IRS than we do to support our states... not good... more like paying off thugs.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-61399977105018939592013-01-10T04:39:08.107+00:002013-01-10T04:39:08.107+00:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WcAPJ-kn8Vsfeduphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15371588955295942598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-66442819586061156362013-01-10T04:36:06.860+00:002013-01-10T04:36:06.860+00:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WcAPJ-<br /><br />This is what we are up against...look at this...it will blow your mind! If they confiscate our guns we will be back to letting these monsters murder whole communities...feduphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15371588955295942598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-3338642515030660982013-01-10T04:28:24.221+00:002013-01-10T04:28:24.221+00:00This is my point exactly Anon 1/8/13@16:33- the fu...This is my point exactly Anon 1/8/13@16:33- the funds are not there for the use of the people; the funds are harbored in a tax haven for tptw...thus, our taxes being paid into the coffer does nothing for us.<br /><br />I worked for Banco Popular for sometime, and I agree...the major hub is in NYC.feduphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15371588955295942598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-50078651404001713102013-01-10T01:30:40.072+00:002013-01-10T01:30:40.072+00:00Thank you D, for all you do, most recently for hon...Thank you D, for all you do, most recently for honoring your word.<br /> <br />I am chagrined that so many on a site like this are so quick to seriously consider any legislation co-sponsored by 58 Republicans who refer to it as a Fair Tax, instead of being astonished once again by the depth of their chutzpah. Haven't we worked out that these guys are vegan until they sit down to eat?<br /><br />Although I am new to a lot of the material that is discussed here, at least I recognize the DC two-step. "Fair Tax", like "fiscal cliff", the "War on Terror", "Pro Life" and countless others are buzz words, which, repeated over and over, induce a trance in which the governed (aka the slaves) allow our masters to steal our words. <br /><br />It is no great insight that less economically well-off folks spend a greater per-cent of their income on purchases than folks with higher incomes. The percentage of income taxed grows progressively lower as the income gets higher. Thus Warren Buffet will continue to enjoy a lower tax rate than his secretary under any kind of "fair tax". <br /><br />Of course if this idea takes hold, ie, it is pushed by main street media, we can look forward to a bunch of arguments (not debates) over what purchases should be exempt: What about pet food? dance lessons? natural herbs? and on & on. On top of that what should the rate be? 14% 23%... How do people think the IRS code got so complicated?<br /><br />This "Fair Tax" is just another banquet for politicians, lobbyists, and the rest of the parasite class. <br /><br />Of course the selling point is the abolition of the IRS. Just about everybody could get behind that. But if people don't look behind the curtain concerning this sales pitch the pertinent questions will not get asked; for example,<br /><br /> "If the goal is to end the IRS, then why not simply restore the money creation authority to the Treasury instead of leaving it in the hands of the private Federal Reserve?"<br /><br />(Kind of like the arrangement envisioned in that quaint old Constitution). <br /><br />It is pretty well established (since Benjamin Franklin, at least) that interest on the loans made by a public bank would be income to the government which, in turn, means there is no need for either an income tax or a sales tax to fund its operation. <br /><br />That is true even in the current circumstances. I would hope that when the promised reforms that we're anticipating come to pass there ought be precious little defense spending, a justice system that won't be a feeding trough for the Esquires, clean energy, an end to poverty. One wonders how big a government there's going to be. For what possible reason will it require a tax to fund its operation? <br /><br />When I first heard about 14% taxes in connection with Nesara, and more recently TOPPT, my BS meter went immediately into the red zone. Then it dawned on me that there was a recognition on the part of the Wise Ones that people have been so indoctrinated, many of them would worry about who's going to paint the white lines on the roads, and other government kind of stuff. Rather than trying to re-educate the fearful ones about what should be a short transition they created a "cover story" for how things will work after the Event. If we still need taxes after the crooks have been replaced, it sounds like old wine in new skins, rather than a meaningful change. <br /><br />Any way, that's my take, D.<br /><br />dobbsie<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-24824045417473163182013-01-09T19:03:07.479+00:002013-01-09T19:03:07.479+00:00So, we switch to a VAT like they have in Europe.
P...So, we switch to a VAT like they have in Europe.<br />People who have some, little or practically nothing and cannot save or invest will spend be taxed on every expenditure. Moreover, the tax is added to every exchange in between their final purchase. If you are living close to the bone, your income tax credit goes away, and if you are living somewhere near the bone, your low (15%) tax rate goes away along with your basic deduction. Last time I looked, you are still paying state sales tax. So, the poor and middle class get crunched.<br />The payroll tax goes directly into the SS trust fund. It is dedicated to the retirement of the rich and poor alike and is not a welfare program. While it is onerous every two weeks, there is no confusion what it is for. So, SS is not really an "entitlement" - you earned it. If the payroll tax is rescinded and SS goes away as we know it, then SS or any similar safety-net retirement program will have to come from the general fund and will be subject to budgetary discretion. How do you suppose this legislator from Georgia will treat what has now become a "welfare program" when the bi-annual budget comes up? This the last thing the plutocrats and their cronies can afford.<br />As for the rich and the merely well off? They laugh all the way to the bank. Dividends, interest and capital gains are no longer taxed. Although propensity to consume is very high, and they would pay proportionally more taxes, much of their consumption is discretionary (unlike the hoi-polloi) so they can literally dictate their own taxes. Moreover, corporate taxes - as lame as they are these days - would go away. The best of all possible worlds for the blessed-of-the-blessed, the "job creators."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-84764307592290240702013-01-09T16:23:48.408+00:002013-01-09T16:23:48.408+00:00With Nesara the comsuption tax is only 14% and onl...With Nesara the comsuption tax is only 14% and only on "new" items, such as a new car. A used car would not be taxed and this is to encourage recycling for the good of the planet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-91160030741998748912013-01-09T11:32:03.798+00:002013-01-09T11:32:03.798+00:00Alternative media sites UK :- http://www.richplane...Alternative media sites UK :- http://www.richplanet.net/contactus.php<br />http://www.emtvonline.co.uk/contact.php<br />http://www.ukcolumn.org/contact<br /><br />Also Regina Meredith Conscious Media Network, James Corbett, Paradigm Shift TV, Ian R Crane at http://ianrcrane.com/index.php?route=information/contact<br /><br /><br />All I can think of at the moment.<br /><br />Sine NomineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-45794168047904273422013-01-09T11:16:49.866+00:002013-01-09T11:16:49.866+00:00Hi Christine, I'd be interested to know what y...Hi Christine, I'd be interested to know what you know about David Icke if you can point me in that direction I'd be grateful. Any links and such if you can spare the time. Thank you!<br /><br /><br />Sine Nomine<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-29307817133688894192013-01-09T03:13:36.209+00:002013-01-09T03:13:36.209+00:00Right on! I'm totally with you Anon 16:21! I...Right on! I'm totally with you Anon 16:21! It's all BS. I'm not concerned, in the current world we live in, this will NEVER pass. It's not worth spending any energy on...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-20136494083543833612013-01-09T03:07:53.423+00:002013-01-09T03:07:53.423+00:00You guys realize that this "fair tax" is...You guys realize that this "fair tax" is also on food, medicine, etc., right? Seriously, get real about this. They are NOT going to exclude anything because of all the difficulties with collecting for some items and not others. They give states where this is currently in place (CA) and all the extra processing that that system requires. This is a tax on every item you want to purchase. Every single one. <br /><br />So, this "fair tax" totally sucks. I currently pay 0 taxes, thanks to being unemployed. No, I don't collect from any government agencies. No free money. There is no way those in my shoes will be better off with this potential new system. And thankfully, many Democrats also know this and absolutely will not let it pass. Ever. The only chance is NESARA, and this is NOT NESARA. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-26874010312172201152013-01-09T03:03:28.075+00:002013-01-09T03:03:28.075+00:00dear brother brando...those past few days i have b...dear brother brando...those past few days i have been praying in total silence for your well Being...and for all of us...it's so good to see You back...renewed...withLove ~chinka~...Kiss!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-76418836714126195642013-01-09T00:33:03.027+00:002013-01-09T00:33:03.027+00:00Fedup about the Puerto Rico thing, I am Puerto Ric...Fedup about the Puerto Rico thing, I am Puerto Rican. People here are broke, poor, living off welfare or working for minimum wage. This island does not see the money, but these banks here are corrupt. Banco Popular is run by the Carrion family, it could be true. I don't know about most of the funds. I know there is a lot of drug money in this island, sometimes people that you know are involved in drug trafficking and they would be the last people you would expect to get involved with that. Who knows!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-88883130920502208552013-01-09T00:23:36.154+00:002013-01-09T00:23:36.154+00:00No one wants to see something good happen for huma...No one wants to see something good happen for humanity more than I do, but let's be realistic. We are lead by people who hate us with a passion. They have placed themselves in a position to take control over ALL of our resources at the wimp of one person. While the same people are still in office and still running the show, do you still trust them to give you something that is good for you?? Like end the Fed Reserve and institute a sales tax? Can anyone not see that this could very well finish us off. I can already see that they would issue themselves and corporations exemptions while taxing us at 100% if they wanted too. Who's to say they will even put a cap on the percent they can raise it to. And even if they did, they are totally LAWLESS. Why would they keep their promise on this?? The problem is once they have control of something, they will stop at nothing to destroy us. Just say'n. What is their motive?? They didn't pass it before because some of them still have a heart and may feel guilt at selling us out. Anyway that is my opinion. Of my soap box now.<br />Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-40667012389799521352013-01-09T00:21:40.086+00:002013-01-09T00:21:40.086+00:00I, personally, do not trust anything the GOP does....I, personally, do not trust anything the GOP does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-57626277714704921402013-01-08T23:53:17.467+00:002013-01-08T23:53:17.467+00:00Maybe I'm just too tired...but I have no desir...Maybe I'm just too tired...but I have no desire to dissect this legislation. It's coming from likely those "on the fence/catch and release" guys. You don't make someone sincerely interested in the good of the human race my threatening them...you know " a man convinced against his will..." . Self interest is too ingrained in them. Unless it is direct copy and past from Nesara ...they will find a way to protect their self interest in some way. They just "cannot" yet think the right way.<br />This is just still entertainment ... we need to wait for and expect the clean sweep scenario...other is a waste of focus and energy ( IMO of course ). It this intrigues you ... go for it ... but I can't get past the title :-)Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16691732626153208138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-18977819572722186282013-01-08T23:47:39.034+00:002013-01-08T23:47:39.034+00:00Kate, I agree with you!!
RitaKate, I agree with you!!<br /><br />RitaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-76208366469210942082013-01-08T23:44:42.683+00:002013-01-08T23:44:42.683+00:0023% may not sound like a lot to people working, bu...23% may not sound like a lot to people working, but for people on a fixed income, it's a lot!! I am on Social Security and that is not taxed. But I can make it. With that huge of a use tax, I will have to cut way back. Life would not be fun!<br /><br />RitaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-85984560218561439552013-01-08T23:21:29.782+00:002013-01-08T23:21:29.782+00:00I agree with that completely it has been in the ba...I agree with that completely it has been in the back of my mind for a while since D came out with that information on how we are on Nesara law since Dec 5th. Exactly what I told my husband. They are going to "keep pretending" just until they can get away with it, as they try to make it look like things are changing for the best so that they don't have to exactly admit their crimes. I DON'T THINK THIS IS FAIR AT ALL, AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T PLAY OUT THAT WAY. I'm not a vengeful person but a crime is a crime and there should be some punishment for that crime. If we the people don't hold them accountable they will just get away with murder, theft, and you name it, just until we let them. And since not enough people will stand up, it seems like they will get away with it, even if Nesara takes place behind the scenes. We'll see what happens. Hoping they will be held accountable for us to see that day. This will "liberate" many souls indeed.Rnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16150396797163145780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-26598242904371739062013-01-08T23:02:19.441+00:002013-01-08T23:02:19.441+00:00Wow thanks, great site. If the announcements ever...Wow thanks, great site. If the announcements ever come out, I can show this to my attorney daughter who is "just pretending" right now. Also my "christian children" who are so brainwashed that it isn't funny. This site has excellent, excellent information. Rnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16150396797163145780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-60368631815330581242013-01-08T22:59:10.090+00:002013-01-08T22:59:10.090+00:00Nice article for us to read....number 6 is really ...Nice article for us to read....number 6 is really good!<br /><br />http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-08/9-step-process-bankers-use-force-global-slavery-upon-humanityMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10738438326975594277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-274754446527894047.post-18478246189561188162013-01-08T22:51:58.723+00:002013-01-08T22:51:58.723+00:00Do we need tax though? The trillions the cabal hav...Do we need tax though? The trillions the cabal have stolen over the years could be put into a pot and then used for public needs i.e. housing, medicine, transport, street lighting, road maintenance, etc, etc. Personally I would be happy to see the back of money but the world we live in right now requires it. Tax is not required. Especially if they can create money out of thin air! Here in the UK we are taxed to death, quite literally! Surely to be free is to be free of the old paradigm of tax and corporations.Katenoreply@blogger.com